CRISIS Dark Winter Looms For Pennsylvanians As Power Bills Set To Soar

CaryC

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Dark Winter Looms For Pennsylvanians As Power Bills Set To Soar
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Power prices in some parts of Pennsylvania are set to jump as much as 50% beginning this month, according to the Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission (PUC).
"Most Pennsylvania regulated electric utilities are adjusting the price they charge for the generation portion of customers' bills on December 1 for non-shopping customers, also known as the 'Price to Compare' (PTC). The PTC averages 40% to 60% of the customer's total utility bill. However, this percent varies by the utility and by the level of individual customer usage," PUC said in a press release.

PUC lists power increases for residential customers. The most significant increase comes from Pike County Light & Power, which serves nearly 5,000 customers, is expected to raise power prices by 50%. The second highest is PPL Corporation, serving about 1.4 million customers in central and eastern parts of the state, which is expected to raise power prices by 26%.
  • Citizens' Electric, up from 6.9777 cents to 7.9476 cents per kWh (13.9%);
  • Duquesne Light, up from 7.41 cents to 7.98 cents per kWh (7.7%);
  • Met-Ed, up from 7.114 cents to 7.414 cents per kWh (4.2%);
  • PECO, up from 6.597 cents to 7.021 cents per kWh (6.4%);
  • Penelec, down from 6.761 cents to 6.507 cents per kWh (3.8%);
  • Penn Power, down from 7.657 cents to 7.593 cents per kWh (less than 1%);
  • PPL, up from 7.544 cents to 9.502 cents per kWh (26%);
  • Pike County Light & Power, up from 6.5234 cents to 9.796 cents per kWh (50.2%);
  • Wellsboro Electric, up from 7.2596 cents to 7.5051 cents per kWh (3.4%); and
  • West Penn Power, up from 5.447 cents to 5.698 cents per kWh (4.6%);
A PUC spokesperson told Fox News that rising energy prices are due to "market forces."
Many Pennsylvanians will be in for a sticker shock this winter as the Northern Hemisphere winter approaches. Customers are already stretched thin with soaring food, fuel, and shelter inflation. It's a good thing Fed Chairman Jerome Powell told Congress on Tuesday that he would "retire" the "transitory" narrative to explain the inflationary environment that continues to crush the working poor.

We noted last week that Americans, already preparing for one of the darkest cold seasons in years, have been panic buying cords of firewood and stoves as they seek alternative methods to heat their homes to mitigate soaring power prices.

Persistent inflation this winter will continue to increase discontent for President Biden and could be favorable for Republicans ahead of midterm next year.

Dark Winter Looms For Pennsylvanians As Power Bills Set To Soar | ZeroHedge
 

CaryC

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And how is it that this is confined only to Pennsylvania ?

(somewhat rhetorical question )
Only in the short term for sure .
Agreed.

I'm sure we have some members who live in PA, but am thinking they aren't alone, or won't be for long.

It's also possible that no one will let the cat out of the bag for their state. Be aware TX, are y'all in for a rinse and repeat?

Did ya notice the run on wood heaters and cords of wood? Probably what is causing the blizzard in Hawaii. And the snow at the poles.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Well, that's damned cheap power.
I wonder if Pennsylvania still has a bunch of coal fired generating plants. If so, kudos to them.

I pay almost double that at ~11.5 cents/kWh for juice from my rural co-op (N MN), and glad they keep it flowing (usually). :shr: Today...iffy with the snowstorm and high winds expected..but who's counting. Beats no power at all, like my grandparents back in the way-back lived.
 

coalcracker

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Well, that's damned cheap power.
I wonder if Pennsylvania still has a bunch of coal fired generating plants. If so, kudos to them.

I pay almost double that at ~11.5 cents/kWh for juice from my rural co-op (N MN), and glad they keep it flowing (usually). :shr: Today...iffy with the snowstorm and high winds expected..but who's counting. Beats no power at all, like my grandparents back in the way-back lived.

No, not coal-fired plants. Dot Gov regulated them out of existence. PA is loaded with natural gas. Frackin’ away in PA.

At least when the power goes out, we won’t have to see this “daughter of PA Proud”
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poppy

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And how is it that this is confined only to Pennsylvania ?

(somewhat rhetorical question )


It isn't. We just got our monthly gas bill yesterday here in southern Illinois. $97 and we haven't had much cold weather at all. Our bill is normally about $125 in the dead of winter with the furnace running night and day but so far our furnace is only running a bit at night.
 

Doat

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Show of hands by all that will be voting Democrat? Don't be fooled about the term Progressive, nothing progressive about them. The problem is DEMORATS period and has been since Wilson was president.
 

Troke

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For generations, the American Elite have been worried over the disposal income of the Lesser Classes that allows them to pollute the National Parks with their presence. This will help eliminate that problem.
 

Macgyver

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We're around 12c per kWh. But that's with all the other crap and taxes in there.
Been that way for years.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
And how is it that this is confined only to Pennsylvania ?

(somewhat rhetorical question )
Nope. Similar/larger price increases slated for Maine this winter.
They want energy prices to be high to force conservation, less driving, lower thermostats, and (especially) close energy-hungry factories (we will live better as a service economy anyway, right?).
Just one more tool to impose control and social equity.
Supply & demand in energy sector is totally manipulated for social objectives.

The greens just shut down (by a referendum) a 30 mile stretch of forest powerline construction that would have brought wicked cheap clean Canadian hydropower to the New England grid. Instead there will be 50x more forest cut to run lines from hundreds of marginal-producing windmills being built all over Maine’s pristine wilderness moutatintops
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Over the summer and last spring, we stacked at least a cord of wood.

I just got done tipping my wood guy $30 for delivering a cord of really nice white oak for only $120

super cheap if that was a full cord and excellent score . . . I didn't get to split much here this year because of my injury last feb. its long been my habit to keep a minimum of 10-12 full cords stacked and covered here. I brought 4 buckets from the wood lot yesterday afternoon and stacked it on the back porch. I'd cut and split that wood in spring of '18. I'm thankful to have plenty of fire wood available.
 

Old Gray Mare

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Well, that's damned cheap power.
I wonder if Pennsylvania still has a bunch of coal fired generating plants. If so, kudos to them.
PA also has a lot of coal and a lot of wood.

If you have your health, some ambition, a chainsaw and pickup you got heat provided your home has: a wood burning furnace (power to run the circulating pump), wood burning stove or fireplace. We heated the home with a fireplace thru a blizzard, no power. DH stayed up and fed it thru a very long night. No pipe broke but wouldn't want to do it again.
 

WalknTrot

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PA also has a lot of coal and a lot of wood.

If you have your health, some ambition, a chainsaw and pickup you got heat provided your home has: a wood burning furnace (power to run the circulating pump), wood burning stove or fireplace. We heated the home with a fireplace thru a blizzard, no power. DH stayed up and fed it thru a very long night. No pipe broke but wouldn't want to do it again.
Haha! No worries. I have an off-grid propane set-up that gets exercised quite regularly and works spectacularly well.
Spent the first 50 years of my life cutting, making, schlepping, feeding firewood and all the BS involved.
Basically, NO FREAKING WAY anymore.
I've evolved. :)

Do have Ma's beautiful wood burning cookstove in the honored (more or less) center of the house, if we ever HAVE to go back...that thing would cook us out of the place if need be. And almost half this farm is standing firewood.
But no. Just no. Not unless all hell breaks loose.
 
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et2

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So … just wait until we’re forced into electric cars.

Anyone see the failure in all of this.

They want us under their full control.
 

Macgyver

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Pa area coal is a dirt cheep way to heat as well.
I have a friend that uses it.
He loads a bunch off 55 gallon drums on a trailer, they load it at the place and when he gets home he picks them off with a tractor and puts them by the back basement door.
I want to say he only spends 100 some bucks a year.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
The simple answer to PA's electricity issues are more windmills and solar generating stations, or so our glow-bull warming leftist control freak morons would say. From a public utility perspective, this does not work as electricity costs rise and dependability goes down - as the CA folks.

I've actually considered small units for the home, and for the most absolute cold days where we live, solar panels would have to be the answer. The wife noticed a solar panel array on the roof of a local bank yesterday, covered with snow. The problem in heavy snow areas the panels need to be at an angle where gravity sheds the snow as it falls.

On the most absolute coldest day the sun shines its brightest with that double reflection off the ground cover. There is zero wind, making a windmill useless.

The point is, if the PA folks can't beat the bastards, they might as well joint them and consider a solar panel unit.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Haha! No worries. I have an off-grid propane set-up that gets exercised quite regularly. I spent the first 50 years of my life making, schlepping, feeding firewood and all the BS involved. Basically, NO FREAKING WAY anymore. I've evolved. :)

I get that . . . my FIL, gone some 15 yrs now, told me I'd get tired of feeding two wood stoves. at the time he said that he was a good 10 years younger than I am now. I'm not there yet, but I can see the possibility of it on the horizon. as I said above, I've always made it a habit to keep plenty of well seasoned hardwood cut, stacked and in the dry. a minimum of 3-4 years worth. that said I'm also thankful for the 2000 lbs of propane on site here. in a bad situation that propane would be used to run the generator and cook with. we have and use a propane furnace for back up heat, but I MUCH prefer the heat from a wood stove than anything else.

I still enjoy cutting and splitting my own firewood. typically I'll drag anything I've felled - or that's come down and I want to use - over to the wood lot. I'll start splitting and stacking in the spring just as soon as I'm in the ground and done planting. I like to stack wood in "lots" - on 4X4X12 pt posts set on standard concrete block 3 rows deep about 5' high. I'll tarp that with 10X12 heavy duty tarps - leaving both the ends open and the bottom 1/2-1/3 open on both sides so it can "breathe". tie the tarp off with some nylon bailing twine run under the 4X4's, set a couple pieces of 12' rib lock or 5 v tin over the top of the tarped stack, add a few block on top of the tin and you've got wood that's able to season, is kept in the dry and lasts for YEARS
 

The Snack Artist

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Sometimes while getting fresh water out of a tap in my house, I thank GOD for providing it. Things shouldn't be taken for granted but it's human nature. Heck, my cars are treated better than most people in the world.
 

undead

Veteran Member
went to get a simple propane tank exchanged yesterday and the price had gone from $19.99 to $22.99 is just a few weeks - it all starts to add up

Just a single example of tons of other example of what is being seen.
 

sssarawolf

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I just got done tipping my wood guy $30 for delivering a cord of really nice white oak for only $120
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A cord of wood I see is selling for $250.00 in our neck of the woods. I gasped when I saw what folks are paying.
 

CaryC

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I just got done tipping my wood guy $30 for delivering a cord of really nice white oak for only $120

A cord of wood I see is selling for $250.00 in our neck of the woods. I gasped when I saw what folks are paying.
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Yeah, cough, choke, puke, like man it is free here. (if you cut and haul it yourself LOL)

Many years ago in a galaxy far, far away........

Propane got to 3.99 a gallon, and was going to take that 4th (1600.00) hundred gallon to see us through the winter and spring, since it was the only heat we had, and we're cold natured.

I, being the man of the house, AND the boss, told SB we can't afford that. So reinstalled the wood heater but this time up in main part of the house, and made it look goooooooood.

From Nov of last year, to Nov of this year, with the help of my son, put up 8 cords. All free, just laying on the ground. Now we are at 7 1/2 cords and my hand is shaking for nervous about it, using so much LOL

BUT ....if it got to where we had to buy it, 250.00 would make me choke. The last time I got nervous, and only had about 3 cords, I bought a cord for 125.00. That was like 3 years ago. Next day got a call to come and get a tree. Just burned my rear something awful.

125 wasn't bad but a bit high, last I bought before that it was 100.00 so figure inflation, but like 250.00 is like smash and grab.
 
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