WAR CHINA THREATENS TO INVADE TAIWAN

OldArcher

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Well, I see the US Navy has a new transgender admirial. Putin is cutting the amount of natural gas to Europa this winter.

WAR is coming right along with Winter.
Got any extra meds Daniel and Housecarl? I may need to start drinking again.:D
The Navy isn’t gettin’ the “trans,” but the head of those that are civilian medicos. That critter will get pay and “honors” of an admiral. Sad state of affairs…

Yes, Doug, WAR is coming. We know the actors, just not the specific where’s and when’s…

OA
 

jward

passin' thru
Chinese military condemns US and Canada over warships in Taiwan Strait
Countries ‘colluded to provoke and stir up trouble’ in region that China claims as its territory
Reuters
Sun 17 Oct 2021 12.09 EDT

The Chinese military has condemned the United States and Canada for each sending a warship through the Taiwan Strait last week, saying they were threatening peace and stability in the region.
China claims democratically ruled Taiwan as its own territory, and has mounted repeated air force missions into Taiwan’s air defence identification zone (ADIZ) over the past year, provoking anger in Taipei.
China sent about 150 aircraft into the zone over a four-day period beginning on 1 October in a further heightening of tension between Beijing and Taipei that has sparked concern internationally.
The US military said the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Dewey sailed through the narrow waterway that separates Taiwan from its neighbour China along with the Canadian frigate HMCS Winnipeg on Thursday and Friday.
“Dewey’s and Winnipeg’s transit through the Taiwan Strait demonstrates the commitment of the United States and our allies and partners to a free and open Indo-Pacific,” it added.
China’s People’s Liberation Army’s Eastern Theatre Command said its forces monitored the ships and “stood guard” throughout their passage.
“The United States and Canada colluded to provoke and stir up trouble … seriously jeopardising peace and stability of the Taiwan Strait,” it said. “Taiwan is part of Chinese territory. Theatre forces always maintain a high level of alert and resolutely counter all threats and provocations.”

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Why are there fears China and Taiwan could go to war? – video
US navy ships have been transiting the strait roughly monthly, to the anger of Beijing, which has accused Washington of stoking regional tensions. US allies occasionally also send ships through the strait, including Britain last month.
While tensions across the Taiwan Strait have risen, there has been no shooting and Chinese aircraft have not entered Taiwanese air space, concentrating their activity in the southwestern part of the ADIZ.
While including Taiwanese territorial air space, the ADIZ encompasses a broader area that Taiwan monitors and patrols that acts to give it more time to respond to any threats.

Taiwan’s defence ministry said on Sunday that three Chinese aircraft – two J-16 fighters and an anti-submarine aircraft – flew into the ADIZ again.



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jward

passin' thru
Sebastian looks about 12 years old. . .but I spose we can give him the benefit of the doubt long nuff to read this eh. . .

Despite Afghanistan, The US Will Come To Taiwan’s Defense If China Invaded, Experts Say

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden Meets Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping

(Photo by Lintao Zhang/Getty Images)

Daily Caller News Foundation logo


Sebastian Hughes Contributor
October 18, 2021 8:30 PM ET

  • Should China invade Taiwan the U.S. would almost certainly get involved due to the strategic necessity of Taiwan’s independence, experts told the Daily Caller News Foundation.
  • “If push comes to shove … the basic American geostrategic considerations will require the United States to help Taiwan defend itself,” Steve Tsang, director of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) China Institute, told the DCNF.
  • “If the U.S. were to stand on the sidelines, it would all but end the U.S. alliance system in Asia,” David Sacks, a research fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, told the DCNF.
  • “I think that the United States should also be increasingly explicit privately to the Chinese, to begin with, that we are prepared to come to Taiwan’s defense in response to Chinese aggression,” Sacks added
The U.S. would almost certainly get involved in the conflict between China and Taiwan if the former invaded, due to the strategic necessity of a democratic, independent Taiwan, experts told the Daily Caller News Foundation.
“If push comes to shove … the basic American geostrategic considerations will require the United States to help Taiwan defend itself,” Steve Tsang, director of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) China Institute, told the DCNF.

“The entire post-war Indo-Pacific strategy would have completely collapsed,” if China took control of the island, Tsang said. “And can you imagine any U.S. government, whichever party, willing to accept that?”

A Chinese-controlled Taiwan would lead allies in the region to either make the best deal they could with China or potentially pursue nuclear weapons as a deterrent, David Sacks, a research fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, told the DCNF. “If the U.S. were to stand on the sidelines, it would all but end the U.S. alliance system in Asia.”

“With the intensity of American discomfort with China now, it’s pretty hard to see a Congress containing the executive branch,” Tsang added. An August poll from the Chicago Council of Global Affairs showed a majority of Americans supported sending troops to defend Taiwan, should the island be invaded by China.




While experts agreed an invasion was not going to happen in the coming months, they said it will be a different story years down the line. (RELATED: Biden And Xi Jinping Agree To Hold Virtual Summit Before End Of Year)

“Xi Jinping’s goal, his headline objective, is achieving the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation. And he has said that that has to be done by the 100th anniversary of the People’s Republic of China,” Sacks said. While that deadline isn’t until 2049, he said the world needs “to prepare for a worst-case scenario.”

Beijing’s increasing incursions into Taiwan’s defense zone show the communist country is making the island a priority, Dean Cheng, a Heritage Foundation Senior Research Fellow, told the DCNF.

A Chinese paramilitary police stands guard while a light show is seen from the Bund in Shanghai on June 30, 2021, on the eve of the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party. (Photo by HECTOR RETAMAL/AFP via Getty Images)

A Chinese paramilitary police stands guard while a light show is seen from the Bund in Shanghai on June 30, 2021, on the eve of the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party. (Photo by HECTOR RETAMAL/AFP via Getty Images)

“The Chinese did not always cross the midline of the Taiwan strait,” Cheng said, noting that it was only in the past few years China dared to do so. The 110-mile wide strait separates Taiwan from mainland China.


“When you have this many aircraft, and they are different types of aircraft, what that suggests is that the Chinese are sending multiple different aircraft from different bases,” he added. “That means significant coordination.”

The incursions are also an opportunity for China to observe how the U.S. responds, Cheng said. “You’re watching how the Americans react. Are the Americans reacting? Are the Americans sending planes and ships closer in?”

“They are training now, in the night, as well, so they’re showing they can conduct missions over Taiwan, you know, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year,” Sacks said, adding China was practically “daring” Taiwan to retaliate with force, so it can “escalate” and then “punish Taiwan.”


The increased deployment of military aircraft creates more opportunities for mistakes and could lead to “unintended incidents” that intensify the situation, Tsang said. Sacks agreed, adding that Taiwan and China would be ill-equipped to peacefully resolve any accident that happened to occur.

Tsang said he believes the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan could be a reason China feels more empowered to ramp up its incursions. “For the next few years, we will still be living in the post-Afghanistan world,” he said.

“You will have a Chinese government that will go back and look at the records of the Americans from Mogadishu, to Iraq, to Syria, to Libya, to Afghanistan” he added. “Why would the Chinese government believe that the Americans will do whatever it takes and take very, very substantial casualties on behalf of a far away territory, which most Americans cannot find in a map?”

He acknowledged President Joe Biden made the right decision to leave Afghanistan but argued China will look at the collapse of the country and doubt the U.S.’s commitment to Taiwan.

“I think it is a miscalculation,” Tsang said. “I think it is a complete misunderstanding of the capacity of the United States, but you can see why from their perspective, instead of seeing the United States as ten feet tall, they see the United States as disorganized with enormous amount of capacity, but can’t and don’t know how to use those capacities effectively.”

“Joe Biden’s foreign policy makes our allies doubt our commitments and shows weakness to our enemies,” former Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley told the DCNF. “Right now, Taiwan is ground zero for China’s goal of world domination. China needs to know that we stand with the people of Taiwan.”

Sacks argued that while the U.S. needs to draw lessons from Afghanistan, Taiwan’s status as a “well functioning multi-party democracy where corruption is not a major issue,” makes the U.S.’ commitment to the country stronger.

Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen (C) waves to assembled guests from the deck of the 'Ming Chuan' frigate during a ceremony to commission two Perry-class guided missile frigates from the US into the Taiwan Navy, in the southern port of Kaohsiung on November 8, 2018. (Photo by CHRIS STOWERS/AFP via Getty Images)

Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen (C) waves to assembled guests from the deck of the ‘Ming Chuan’ frigate during a ceremony to commission two Perry-class guided missile frigates from the US into the Taiwan Navy, in the southern port of Kaohsiung on November 8, 2018. (Photo by CHRIS STOWERS/AFP via Getty Images)

While the U.S. may come to Taiwan’s aid, Tsang said major efforts need to be made to avoid a Chinese invasion in the first place. He said that the U.S. should build alliances with democracies willing to “cut off their economic ties with China, at enormous cost to themselves.”

“It means, for Europe and for North America, we will cancel Christmas,” Tsang said. “There will be no Christmas because if we stop our trade with China, our shops will be run bare for a lot of things,” but it “will be economically utterly and totally devastating to China.”

He also made clear that the English-speaking nations needed to stop pursuing “Anglo-Saxon centrism” and build stronger ties with non-English speaking democracies. (RELATED: Taiwan ‘On Alert’ After Record Number Of Chinese Planes Enter Airspace, Warns Of ‘Catastrophic’ Consequences If It’s Democracy Falls)

Tsang cited Australia backing out of its submarine deal with France to enter a new deal, AUKUS, with the U.S. and the United Kingdom as an example, arguing the end result could have been “achieved without pissing the French off.”

From Sacks’ perspective, military deterrence is the most crucial aspect of preventing an invasion. “I do believe that deterrence is eroding and so, therefore, it’s important for the United States to do more in terms of shifting forces to Asia, prepositioning forces and logistics in Japan, doing more to coordinate with Japan, Australia and others,” he said.

“Deterrence is not just about having the capability, but it’s about having the will,” Sacks added. “And I think that the United States should also be increasingly explicit privately to the Chinese, to begin with, that we are prepared to come to Taiwan’s defense in response to Chinese aggression.”

Cheng told the DCNF strong American leadership will be needed to mobilize the public in the event of a war with China, but was unsure Biden had the ability to do so when it would lead to “casualties on a scale much larger than we have seen in Afghanistan or even Iraq.”

“The incident at Kabul airport which killed 13 Americans would pale by comparison,” Cheng said. “That requires real leadership.”
 

danielboon

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Yeah, sanctions really work, against the ChiComs, don’t they?
Change the US Military’s ROE’s, vis-a-vis the ChiComs. Allow our people to defend themselves. Otherwise, as tensions ratchet-up, our people will start to die- in wholesale lots…

OA
Sadly this is going to happen
 

danielboon

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U.S. holds three tests to advance hypersonic weapon programs, Pentagon says
By Mike Stone





2 minute read
The Pentagon logo is seen behind the podium in the briefing room at the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, U.S., January 8, 2020. REUTERS/Al Drago

The Pentagon logo is seen behind the podium in the briefing room at the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, U.S., January 8, 2020. REUTERS/Al Drago
WASHINGTON, Oct 21 (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy and Army tested hypersonic weapon component prototypes on Wednesday that will inform development of new weapons, the Pentagon said, calling the three tests successful.
The tests occurred the same day that U.S. President Joe Biden said he was concerned about Chinese hypersonic weapons. read more
The Sandia National Laboratory ran the tests from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia which will help "inform the development of the Navy's Conventional Prompt Strike (CPS) and the Army's Long Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW) offensive hypersonic strike," a statement said.
The Navy and Army will conduct a flight test of the common hypersonic missile in fiscal 2022, which began on Oct. 1.

Hypersonic weapons travel in the upper atmosphere at more than five times the speed of sound, or about 3,853 miles per hour (6,200 kph).
These tests "demonstrated advanced hypersonic technologies, capabilities, and prototype systems in a realistic operating environment," the Pentagon said in a statement.
The United States has actively pursued the development of hypersonic weapons as a part of its conventional prompt global strike program since the early 2000s.
Companies such as Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) and Raytheon Technologies (RTX.N) are working to develop the hypersonic weapon capability for the United States.
 

Techwreck

Senior Member
China tests two hypersonic vehicles in space that took us by surprise.

Well, guess what, we tested three, so there!

However, our three tests were, "hypersonic weapon component prototypes that will inform development of new weapons.."

We are so.....
 

Chance

Veteran Member
China told us that Taiwan is a distraction..America is their real target.....

Their bioweapon virus brought their binary bioweapon vaccine, the mRNA 'vaccine'...for that 'bloodless victory'.

So...will they release the second half when THEY have as much of the military vaccinated as they can get...I think the date is November 22...and THEY need the children vaccinated ASAP. I think it will be shortly before Thanksgiving...

I noted that the FDA is suppose to be reviewing age 5 to 11 data over the next couple of weeks...because Pfizer has applied for emergency useage for this age group...what the heck? Colorado just started recruiting for this age group?

THEY going to just make up stuff to slam this approval through?? How many kids in this study,? A dozen? Maybe? They reported having a few kids included in their previous clinical trials.. what BS!

I bet they already shipped this 'vaccine' for these kids to pharmacies, pediatricians, schools...and I bet the kids don't need parent approval. Biden has 28 million 'vaccines' for this! They are H@ll bent on doing this. Xi is in a hurry.
 
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northern watch

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Biden State Dept Hire Downplayed Chinese Military Threat, Deflected Blame for COVID Pandemic
Rachel Esplin Odell's views undermine Biden admin's attempt to portray itself as tough on China


Rachel Esplin Odell / Twitter
Adam Kredo
Free Beacon
October 21, 2021 5:00 am

One of the Biden administration's newest State Department hires has regularly downplayed the threat posed by China and argued against holding the Communist regime accountable for the coronavirus pandemic, comments that clash with an administration that has promised to play tough with Beijing.

Rachel Esplin Odell was hired in August to serve as a foreign policy analyst at the State Department, according to her LinkedIn profile. Odell believes "the military threat posed by China to U.S. interests is limited in nature" and that efforts to sanction the CCP for its efforts to hide the "coronavirus would harm America and the world
." These comments put her out of step with the Biden administration, which has increased sanctions on China for its interference in Hong Kong, its ongoing human rights abuses, and its efforts to spy on the United States and other countries.

Odell previously served as a fellow at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, an isolationist think tank jointly funded by George Soros and Charles Koch. As a Quincy fellow, Odell routinely argued that China poses no threat and that the United States should surrender its presence in the region to appease the Communist Party.

Odell is one of some 100 progressive foreign policy hands who were pitched to the incoming Biden administration late last year as part of a push by isolationist and far-left advocacy groups to gain influence over the administration's national security apparatus. That list, first published in full by the Washington Free Beacon, included notorious anti-Israel activists and progressive policy voices. Odell's hiring signals that team Biden is willing to accommodate the Democratic Party's far-left flank. Politico described the list in December as the "first comprehensive and coordinated effort by the left to influence the transition to appoint progressives" across the U.S. national security and diplomatic community.

Odell's rhetoric on China puts her at odds with more moderate Biden administration officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken and White House National Security Council adviser Jake Sullivan, both of whom have stated their support for countering an increasingly aggressive China, both economically and militarily.

Rebeccah Heinrichs, a national security expert and senior fellow at the Hudson Institute think tank, described the Biden administration's China policy as "bipolar."

"There are people who get that China is the pacing threat, and then there are people who are still downplaying the Chinese military threat in the Indo-Pacific and recommending we engage on climate and trade," Heinrichs said. "Those are mutually exclusive. The latter group will facilitate the rise of China at America's expense. Period. It is concerning when Biden hires and promotes anyone who has been trying to downplay the military dimension of the China challenge over the last few years especially. It's inexcusable."

Odell claimed in a March 2020 discussion hosted by Quincy—which has positioned itself as the go-to think tank for the Biden administration—that "China actually has not posed any threat to freedom of navigation in the South China Sea," where the CCP routinely harasses U.S. and allied forces. The South China Sea has long been a flashpoint in the growing standoff between the CCP and U.S. allies in the region.

China's foreign policy, which aggressively seeks to counter U.S. influence across the globe, is not extraordinary, Odell said during the same discussion. "My argument is that China abroad—its foreign policy behavior—is basically typical of a rising power. Of course, rising powers always want to revise some aspect of the system, but so does the United States."

"The reality," Odell argued in October 2020, "is the military threat posed by China to U.S. interests is limited in nature."

America should not seek to hold China accountable for the coronavirus pandemic, Odell said in an April 2020 op-ed explaining "why retribution against China for coronavirus would harm America and the world." In fact, "Chinese epidemiologists and public health officials have learned invaluable lessons from their experience grappling with the outbreak." Efforts to sanction China for its role in covering up the coronavirus's existence and lies to the international community actually are meant to "deflect blame from U.S. failures in responding to the pandemic," Odell said.

In a May 2020 op-ed slamming Sen. Mitt Romney (R., Utah) for warning against U.S. reliance on Chinese medical equipment, Odell argued that Beijing "is not seeking a strategy of ‘domination,' particularly not at a global level." This claim is contradicted by China's massive military buildup, as well as its escalating threats to seize Taiwan and interfere with its neighbors' regional security.

U.S. military supremacy in the region "is likely a thing of the past," Odell said in the same opinion piece. "China's ability to project significant military power beyond its ‘near seas' remains limited relative to the United States," she wrote, adding that China cannot accept a U.S. presence in the waters near the country.

Odell also excused China's theft of U.S. intellectual property and government secrets, saying, "The United States and other developed nations engaged in similar practices when building their own economies." America should "facilitate China's rise," instead of seeking to contain it, she said in March of this year.

"Treating China as an enemy" endangers U.S. national security, Odell argued in an October 2020 Quincy Institute publication that called for "a new U.S. strategy in East Asia."

"The current U.S. strategy in East Asia endangers U.S. national security interests by inflaming military tension with China that could provoke crises and escalate into war," Odell and her colleagues wrote. "It wastes resources by diverting them from essential non-military uses at home and abroad. Treating China as an enemy also makes Beijing less willing to compromise in disputes and endangers bilateral cooperation."

Odell also has argued against U.S. sanctions on China and for the United States to remain neutral in the CCP's "territorial disputes" with its neighbors.

Biden State Dept Hire Downplayed Chinese Military Threat, Deflected Blame for COVID Pandemic (freebeacon.com)
 

jward

passin' thru
Yup didn't take that one long at all. . .I used to not worry bout the damage he could do, assuming his real power brokers had it well under control. Now I fear they're as stoopid and inept as they actually appear.




EndGameWW3
@EndGameWW3

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This is the 2nd time it has been walked back. I think we are ****ing with China's head. Will we or won't we defend Taiwan. U.S. position on Taiwan remains unchanged despite Biden comment, official says
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1451396098115915778?s=20




hmm. I too wonder what "exactly" the question was that he answered thusly. . .and if any of the world leaders pay any attention to him at this point or not. . .

Steve Herman
@W7VOA


“Yes. We have a commitment to do that,” responds @POTUS on whether US would come to the defense of #Taiwan if it’s attacked by #China.

8:23 PM · Oct 21, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
 

danielboon

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U.S. position on Taiwan remains unchanged despite Biden comment, official says
PUBLISHED FRI, AUG 20 20211:08 AM EDT

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KEY POINTS
  • U.S. policy on Taiwan had not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest the United States would defend the island if it were attacked.
  • A senior Biden administration official said U.S. "policy with regard to Taiwan has not changed" and analysts said it appeared that Biden had misspoken.
  • Washington has long followed a policy of "strategic ambiguity" on whether it would intervene militarily to protect Taiwan in the event of a Chinese attack.

Flags of Taiwan and U.S. are placed for a meeting between U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce speaks and with Su Chia-chyuan, President of the Legislative Yuan in Taipei, Taiwan March 27, 2018.
Tyrone Siu | Reuters
A Biden administration official said on Thursday that U.S. policy on Taiwan had not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest the United States would defend the island if it were attacked, a deviation from a long-held U.S. position of "strategic ambiguity."
In an interview aired by ABC News on Thursday, Biden was asked about the effects of the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and responses in Chinese media telling Taiwan this showed Washington could not be relied on to come to its defense.

Biden replied that Taiwan, South Korea and NATO were fundamentally different situations to Afghanistan and appeared to lump Taiwan together with countries to which Washington has explicit defense commitments.
"They are ... entities we've made agreements with based on not a civil war they're having on that island or in South Korea, but on an agreement where they have a unity government that, in fact, is trying to keep bad guys from doing bad things to them," he said.
"We have made — kept every commitment. We made a sacred commitment to Article 5 that if in fact anyone were to invade or take action against our NATO allies, we would respond. Same with Japan, same with South Korea, same with - Taiwan. It's not even comparable to talk about that."
A senior Biden administration official said U.S. "policy with regard to Taiwan has not changed" and analysts said it appeared that Biden had misspoken.
China's embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

In Taipei, Presidential Office spokesman Xavier Chang said they had "noted" Biden's comments, and thanked his administration for "continuing to take practical actions" to show the rock solid U.S. commitment to Taiwan, like arms sales.
While Washington is required by law to provide Taiwan with the means to defend itself, it has long followed a policy of "strategic ambiguity" on whether it would intervene militarily to protect Taiwan in the event of a Chinese attack.
Article 5 is a NATO agreement that states that an attack on one member of the alliance is viewed as an attack on all.
South Korea is also a U.S. treaty ally with a mutual defense agreement, but U.S. relations with Chinese-claimed Taiwan have been unofficial since Washington switched diplomatic recognition to Beijing in 1979.


U.S. likely to remain 'ambiguous' on Taiwan in the face of China's threat: Stratfor

Some prominent U.S. academics and others have argued Washington should give Taiwan a more explicit security guarantee in light of increasing military pressure from Beijing, but Biden's Indo-Pacific policy coordinator, Kurt Campbell, has appeared to reject this, saying in May there were "significant downsides" to such an approach.
Bonnie Glaser, a Taiwan expert at the German Marshall Fund of the United States, called Biden's apparent mischaracterization "unfortunate."
"The U.S. had an Article 5 commitment to Taiwan from 1954 to 1979. The Biden administration isn't considering returning to that commitment, as indicated by public statements by Kurt Campbell."
This week, Republican Senator John Cornyn erroneously said on Twitter that the United States has 30,000 troops in Taiwan, which has not been the case since before 1979.
Biden's national security adviser Jake Sullivan was asked about Taiwan this week and called it a "fundamentally different question in a different context" to Afghanistan.
"We believe our commitment to Taiwan ... remains as strong as it's ever been," he said, without specifying what the commitment was.
 

danielboon

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EndGameWW3

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Biden says in August we will defend China then his people walk it back. Biden says last night we will defend China then his people walk it back. The Taiwan agreement says it's our decision if we want to defend Taiwan or not. Biden is being told to say this and then watch...
EndGameWW3

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China's reaction to his statements. Biden may be old and forgetful but he's just saying what he is being told to say. We are ****ing with China just to see their reaction.

EndGameWW3

@EndGameWW3

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The West wants this war don't be fooled. We are prodding China to do something so we can run to Taiwan's rescue. I stand by this.
 

danielboon

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Japan Monitoring Combined Russian and Chinese Naval Fleet Sailing Off Honshu
By: Dzirhan Mahadzir
October 22, 2021 12:21 PM

Chinese and Russian Warships. Japan Self-Defense Forces Photos
KUALA LUMPUR – A combined Russian Navy and China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) fleet continues to sail in international waters east of Japan’s main island of Honshu, while Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ships and aircraft monitor the fleet during its voyage.
As of 4 a.m. Thursday, the joint fleet was sighted between Smith Island (Sumisu-tō) and Tori-shima Island in the Izu Island chain, according to a news release and map released by the Joint Staff of the Japan Self-Defense Forces on Friday. Smith Island is around 440 kilometers, or about 273 miles, south of the main island of Honshu. The news release said the fleet was 50 kilometers, or about 31 miles, southwest of Smith Island.
Earlier, the fleet had transited the Tsugaru Strait on Monday evening, passing 40 kilometers, or about 25 miles, east to southeast of Shiriyazaki Lighthouse, the news release said. At 1:00 a.m. Wednesday, the fleet was 130 kilometers, or about 81 miles, east of the Inubōsaki Lighthouse.
A release from earlier this week identified the Chinese ships as Type 055 destroyer Nanchang (101), Type 052D destroyer Kuming (172), type 054a frigates Binzou (515) and Liuzhou (573) and an unnamed replenishment ship. Russian ships include destroyers Admiral Tributs (564) and Admiral Panteleyev (548), corvettes Gromkiy (335) and Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov (339) and the missile range instrumentation ship Marshal Krylov (331).
The Joint Staff release said the JMSDF was monitoring the passage of the ships via P-3C Orions of Fleet Air Wing 2 stationed at Hachinohe Air Base, Honshu, while minesweeper JS Izushima (MSC-687) and destroyers JS Yamagiri (DD-152) and JS Takanami (DD-110) also monitored the fleet. It also said the Japan Air Self-Defense Force fighters had been scrambled in response to helicopters taking off from the Russian Navy and PLAN ships, with photos of the helicopters in question included in the release.
Previously, the PLAN ships had taken part in the Sea Interaction 2021 exercise between the two countries from Oct. 14 through 17. A Russian defense ministry release on Monday announcing the completion of the exercise said the PLAN contingent also included a rescue ship and a diesel submarine. Russian naval assets taking part in the exercise, as stated by the release, were Admiral Panteleyev, Gromkiy, Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov, submarine Ust- Bolsheretsk (B-494), two base minesweepers, a missile boat and a rescue tug.
The JSDF Joint Staff Release from earlier this week noted it was the first time naval vessels from both countries had sailed jointly through the Tsugaru Strait and that the voyage of the vessels around Japan has prompted speculation as to whether the combined fleet’s sailing is a response to the various multinational sailings and exercises carried out by both Japan and the United States over the past few months throughout the Western Pacific. Japan also carried out four iterations of the Pacific Crown exercises with the United Kingdom Royal Navy Carrier Strike Group 21 (CSG 21) in the waters off Japan in August and September of this year.
In other developments, American destroyer USS The Sullivans (DDG-68) completed its participation in CSG 21 on Wednesday and is now headed home while the majority of the CSG is currently conducting port engagements in India.
 

jward

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Global Times
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China state-affiliated media

#Editorial: Even if @JoeBiden dared to make a “slip of the tongue” to say US would “defend” Taiwan, he would dare not really think so from the bottom of his heart. https://globaltimes.cn/page/202110/12
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Yup didn't take that one long at all. . .I used to not worry bout the damage he could do, assuming his real power brokers had it well under control. Now I fear they're as stoopid and inept as they actually appear.

EndGameWW3
@EndGameWW3

2m

This is the 2nd time it has been walked back. I think we are ****ing with China's head. Will we or won't we defend Taiwan. U.S. position on Taiwan remains unchanged despite Biden comment, official says
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1451396098115915778?s=20
 

northern watch

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The Taiwan Question

Posted on October 22, 2021
JR Nyquist Blog


Who are our enemies, and who are our friends? This question is one of primary importance in the revolution. All past revolutionary struggles in China achieved very little, basically because the revolutionaries were unable to unite their real friends to attack their real enemies.

MAO ZEDONG, FOUNDER OF COMMUNIST CHINA
“ANALYSIS OF CLASSES IN CHINESE SOCIETY”

We have to make sure that we deter China on every front, and Taiwan is obviously critical. But most important, we must deter China in a way that does not unbalance our overall strategic position – which faces Russia in Europe and Iran in the Middle East (not to mention Cuba and Venezuela in the Caribbean). To understand our strategic position, it is worth keeping Chinese Grand Strategy in mind. The debate on Chinese grand strategy is difficult because China has successfully hidden its ultimate grand strategic direction and objectives. And so, we are left judging by actions. But actions can also be misleading. Even invasion preparations can be misleading.

In some sense we are always preparing to refight the last war – World War II. By way of analogy, you could say Beijing’s moves against Hong Kong resemble the Anschluss, the loss of Afghanistan is like the Allies abandoning Czechoslovakia, and now we come to Taiwan, a country we feel compelled to defend just as the French and British were compelled to stand by Poland (even though Poland’s strategic position – like Taiwan’s today – was hopeless).

As we draw these parallels, the Chinese are also drawing parallels; but the Chinese draw different lessons from history than we do. In explaining this I am going to refer to Chinese Defense Minister Chi Haotian’s secret speech before high-level communist officials, delivered roughly twenty years ago. And indeed, in that speech, Chi compares China to Germany in the 1930s.

In the speech Chi says, “today’s China is alarmingly similar to Germany back then. Both of them regard themselves as the most superior races; both of them have a history of being exploited by foreign powers … both of them have the tradition of worshipping their own authorities; both of them feel they have seriously insufficient living space; both of them raise high the two banners of nationalism and socialism … both of them worship ‘one state, one party, one leader, and one doctrine.’”

But here the comparison ends. And it is worthwhile to follow Chi’s quoting of Jaing Zemin as saying: “Germany belongs to pediatrics” – too trivial to be compared with China. “How large is Germany’s population,” asked Chi. Trivial. How big is its territory? Trivial. How many enemies did Germany kill? Trivial compared to the killing of the Beijing regime. How long did Nazi Germany last? Twelve years. Trivial!

Chi says there are three lessons to be learned from the German experience of World War II. The three lessons are: “Firmly grasp the country’s living space; firmly grasp the Party’s control over the nation; and firmly grasp the general direction toward becoming the ‘lord of the earth.’”

First, says Chi, living space is the regime’s central focus, though this cannot be publicly admitted because it would associate China with Nazi Germany in the eyes of the world and reinforce the view that China is a threat. So, this focus must remain secret.

Second, the Communist Party must teach the Chinese people to “go out” and find “new lands” in order to justify its leadership position and hold firmly to power. Chi states, “Comrade Mao Zedong said that if we could lead the Chinese people outside of China, resolving the lack of living space in China, the Chinese people will support us.”

Third, for China to become the “lord of the earth,” it is necessary, said Chi, “to hold firmly onto the big ‘issue of America.’ This appears to be shocking, but the logic is actually very simple.”

Chi underscores his point with the following rhetorical question: “Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, [so] how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.”

“Therefore,” noted General Chi, “solving the ‘issue of America’ is the key to solving all other issues. First, this makes it possible for us to have many people migrate there and even establish another China under the leadership of the CCP.”

In this strategic context, China is understandably secretive about its goals. Chi stated, “We also must never forget what Comrade [Deng] Xiaoping emphasized: ‘Refrain from revealing ambitions and put others off the track.’ The hidden message is: we must put up with America; we must conceal our ultimate goals, hide our capabilities, and await the opportunity.”

He then discussed launching a biological war against the United States in the future. He called this “using special means to ‘clean up’ America…” The last problem, said General Chi, is “firmly seizing the preparations for military battle.” And he then mentioned Taiwan: “Our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers or satellites.”

What I conclude from this is that China’s threat to Taiwan craves this larger strategic context. Furthermore, the testimony of the GRU defector, Colonel Stanislav Lunev must not be ignored. Lunev, who spoke fluent Mandarin and worked in China, knew of a secret post-Soviet military agreement with China about a future war against the United States in which Russia would acquire Alaska and China would acquire the lower 48 states. Thus, we must not take our eyes off the ball. America is China’s main target. Taiwan may be a stepping stone, or a diversion. Therefore, our preparations must include a strengthening here in North America – the bolstering of strategic defenses and our strategic deterrent.



NOTES AND LINKS

It is my thesis that China has a grand strategy and we have failed to see what it is. China is a collective party dictatorship run by committees and party think tanks that have been working out the country’s grand strategy for decades. Our blindness to grand strategy, and our denial of a grand strategy is, itself, essential to the success of Chinese grand strategy.

More than two years ago The National Interest published an article titled “China’s Big Mistake: It Thinks It Can Beat America in a War” – the article argues that China mistakenly assumes it can “launch an attack on China’s neighbors without first knocking out U.S. forces.”The Taiwan Question The people who wrote the article are taking Chinese statements, designed for their consumption, at face value. They are not only being deceived, but they are broadcasting their stupidity to everyone who reads their publication. – The National Interest, China’s Big Mistake: It Thinks It Can Beat America In a War | The National Interest

As reported in The U.S. Sun, Chinese military expert Du Wenlong warned that the U.S. could not stop a successful Chinese invasion of Taiwan and Japan would be nuked if it attempted to interfere. On a Chinese video channel, “allegedly approved by the Chinese Communist Party” and tied to the People’s Liberation Army, the narrator of a video (now deleted) said, “We will use nuclear bombs first. We will use nuclear bombs continuously. We will do this until Japan declares unconditional surrender for the second time. We will liberate Taiwan, if Japan dares to intervene by force – even if it only deploys one soldier, one plane or one ship – we will not only return fire but also wage full-scale war against Japan itself.” The Japanese were not intimidated. Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso said Japan would defend Taiwan in alliance with the USA.[ii]WW3 fears as China boasts US would have ‘no chance’ stopping invasion of Taiwan (the-sun.com)

The Secret Speech of General Chi Haotian, The Secret Speech of General Chi Haotian – J.R. Nyquist Blog (jrnyquist.blog).


The Taiwan Question – J.R. Nyquist Blog (jrnyquist.blog)
 
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Doomer Doug

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We may get the chance to see the spirit in action, like when supernatural force massacred God's enemies.

China doesn't factor in divine intervention. I think God would enjoy exterminating the chinese communists.:ld:
In the flesh the usa is beyond help, too many evil people, doing too much evil.
The only way America could possibly surrvive would be direct divine intervention.
 

Techwreck

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After watching the A-stan withdrawal fiasco, I wondered if it was directed to be such a goatfrack, or just unbelievable incompetence.

Given increasing evidence that the chicom influence in our .gov is much greater than I could have imagined, and with the installation of Beijing Biden, I have been thinking that we would likely stand down when push came to shove over Taiwan.

With Biden now slipping/saying that we would commit militarily to save Taiwan, I have to wonder if the chicoms wouldn't rather have us suffer a humiliating military defeat in that engagement.

With clueless Joe, SecDef Austin, and MaybeIshouldcalltheenemy Milley running the show, I worry that when the chicoms move on Taiwan, we will actually engage militarily in the same brilliant manner that we left Afghanistan.

Maybe with chicom influence at the highest levels here, perhaps their thinking is, "why stop with taking Taiwan, when the US militarily, especially the Navy, could be decimated at the same time"

Our installed regime is at best hopelessly inept, and at worst traitorous to the point of being accomplices in Americas takedown.
 

Doomer Doug

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China has been conning us since Nixon's famous pingpong diplomacy in 1972, which I remember at age 18.

They want Liebenstrum above all else, plus to steal our technology and finally to take us out with bioweapons. They have done all three now.

Obama may be stupid enough to think he can run china like a trained poodle.
He can't but the west no longer REALIZES THIS.
When Xi vaporizes our military in the Pacific life for the demoncrats will get interesting.
 

vestige

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China has been conning us since Nixon's famous pingpong diplomacy in 1972, which I remember at age 18.

They want Liebenstrum above all else, plus to steal our technology and finally to take us out with bioweapons. They have done all three now.

Obama may be stupid enough to think he can run china like a trained poodle.
He can't but the west no longer REALIZES THIS.
When Xi vaporizes our military in the Pacific life for the demoncrats will get interesting.
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