Pain Mgmt CBD vs Hemp. Help, please?

[kyrsyan]

It's a long story but soemone in my household has several issues that CBD assists with in a big way. Migraines and anxiety are at the top of the list.
We found that a full spectrum CBD oil helps the most. CBD isolate oils are almost worthless for this.
The last time I ordered, I ordered a concentrated dosage. That has turned out to be a massive error. It didn't even take 3 days for a full blown, full symptom migraine to hit. The problem is that the concentrated versions don't increase everything, just the cbd.
That mistake is now being fixed.
But now my brain is wondering, does hemp oil contain those "extras"? I am not going to get rid of the cbd for treatment but if a good hemp oil contains the "extras" that are needed in ths case, I'll add one.

 

[moldy]

I imagine every company makes theirs a bit different. Find one you like and stick with it, would be my advice. I'm not sure how much information you'll get due to proprietary formulas.

 

[kyrsyan]

Oh, I'm sticking with this company for the CBD. If nothing else, their response when I called them about the problem pretty much guaranteed that it would take a pile for me to go elsewhere. And I was already happy with them. And I did a lot of research before I first ordered from them.
All of the companies list that there are terpenes/etc that are a natural part of a full spectrum CBD. So I was wondering if those same things would be in the hemp oil. In that case, I would see if I could use that to give a boost. I was hoping someone here might have a clue. But I may just have to grab a bottle and see if it helps.

 

[moldy]

Sorry I couldn't help more.

 

[All-in]

Hi kyrsyan ... I work for one of the largest CBD wholesale manufactures in the US. Labeling on CBD is very misleading right now because there few regulations. Unscrupulous people/companies trying to make a quick buck are producing junk and putting it in pretty packaging and charging a fortune. If you see XXX mgs of hemp oil on a label, but no breakout of actual CBD there is likely no CBD in the product. Hemp oil like say olive oil has some benefits, but it does not contain any CBD and definitely not worth whatever they are charging ... junk. These companies are taking advantage of misconceptions many people have between hemp and CBD oil. The packaging will tout high mgs of hemp but it's worthless for helping with things like migraines and anxiety. You want the product to break out CBD content because that's what you're paying for and where the health benefits reside. Some producers use hemp oil or grape seed oil as a carrier, but it's not the best and will go rancid after a few months. Look for MCT oil as the carrier as it has an almost indefinite shelf life. If products are highlighting hemp oil content, I'd recommend staying away. It likely has a few cents of hemp oil and nothing else.

Sounds like you know a bit, but CBD comes in three basic forms: full spectrum containing all the cannabinoids found in the hemp plant which CBD is one and THC another one (.03% max in CBD products) that gives you the "high" feeling in more concentrated doses. I believe these are the extras you asked about; broad spectrum contains all the cannabinoids except the THC is extracted out; and CBD isolate that is just CBD with no other cannabinoids or extras. Many feel full or broad spectrum are the best choices due to what is called the "entourage effect" with all the cannabinoids working together and give them the best result. Broad spectrum is a good choice for people who need to be concerned with drug tests and do not want any THC.

Not sure exactly what you mean by concentrated dosage, but I'm going to try to unpack your question. Tinctures are the most common form of CBD. They usually come in 1 oz bottles. There are 30 doses per bottle and a dropper full is considered a "dose". I would not recommend starting any lower than 500mg tincture. Any lower and you will likely not get any results without taking massive quantities. There are no official guidelines, but 25-50mgs/day is considered a prophylactic dose. So a 500mg tincture would give you 16.67mgs per dropper (500mg/30 droppers per bottle) and you'd need 2-3 droppers a day for a standard daily intake. I've seen all kinds of wild claims on concentrations. Never buy anything from Amazon, especially not a claimed 8 or 10,000mg bottle. Again, it's junk. Full spectrum about 2,500mg is the highest concentration you can legally achieve economically and 3,000 mg for broad spectrum. Any higher concentrations and it costs too much to manufacture and keep it legal. Not much market for a $700 bottle of CBD.

You cannot overdose on CBD, so don't be afraid to experiment and find the dose that gives you relief. You don't want to take too much because it can be costly. My wife takes 300-400mgs a day for pain relief due to residual injuries after a car accident and it saved her from a life of prescription pain meds and all that entails. I take 100-150mgs for insomnia and general health. I hope I answered your questions. Feel free to PM me for specific questions or recommendations. 80% of what I do at expos, conventions, etc., is try to educate people so they know how to read labels, have the tools to make good choices on CBD products, and don't get taken.

 

[kyrsyan]

All-in, our source tracks from field to bottle for every bottle and has independent outside testing to verify. So far there hasn't been a single problem. The problem this time was that, one, I didn't realize just how much of a difference the full spectrum made for him. And, two, that the concentrated formula really focused on one aspect, not the whole. It just didn't occur to me. And the combination of those two things collided.

He is actually strongly reactive to things, including CBD, and typically needs a lot less than most people. It has been one of those things that drives his neuro nuts. She's had to learn to start him on doses of meds that are very low. And right now, CBD has meant that he can be off the prescription meds which has made a huge difference.

I'm just curious as to whether the terpenes and other portions of the CBD extracts, minus the actual CBD, would be in hemp seed oil. I know that the seeds don't have, or have minimal amounts of the cannabinoids. But do they have the rest of the chemicals?

As for the THC, not an issue here. But I quickly realized that even though CBD is not physically addictive, you just can't drop it cold turkey. And that apparently was how his body saw the switch in concentration because of the missing parts. This is actually no different than several of the prescription meds he was on.

But while I have the knowledge of ways to test ingredients and compare, I no longer have access to that kind of equipment. Just how life has gone. And I can't locate and information where someone has researched it. I was just hoping that maybe someone else knew of any such research.

I can get a quality bottle or the seeds themselves and test it with him specifically. And that may be what happens.

 

[EE80]

Any legit CBD will have a Certificate of Analysis (COAs) for each product batch. The COAs reflect independent third-party testing and discloses the amount in the product per ounce compared to label claim which is missing from many competitors’ testing. Is the product you are using organic?