CORONA Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And they were eating ivermectin like candy. At least the states were buying them by the millions. Or over the counter at the drug store, like aspirin.

You know this to be true how? The article you posted and the subjective statements from a few random doctors?
Why is this article gospel truth and not the study/article posted by gardener (#22)?
How do we know that the number of deaths you refer to would not have been much much higher except for the 'fact' that the people of brazil "were eating ivermectin like candy"?
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
You know this to be true how? The article you posted and the subjective statements from a few random doctors?
Why is this article gospel truth and not the study/article posted by gardener (#22)?
How do we know that the number of deaths you refer to would not have been much much higher except for the 'fact' that the people of brazil "were eating ivermectin like candy"?
We know three things.

Ivermectin was available over the counter. No prescription
There are 600,000 corpses that the public seems to think came from Covid. Their death rate per 1000 was higher than ours.
The public got so infuriated at the Pres because he did not vaccinate that they are trying to get rid of him.

I was aware of the study just as I am aware of the mountains of anecdotal evidence in this country. There has to be an explanation. I have not seen it.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Hilary Brueck Oct 4, 2021, 5:00 AM

In fact, Antonio estimated about 70% of her ICU patients said during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) that they had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.
There's the money phrase embedded in the hit piece. High comorbidities, poor health care in general in an incredibly corrupt socialist paradise. What's not to like?

It now appears that being sent into the ICU is a place from which someone is statistically unlikely to emerge alive despite the incredible efforts of doctors and nurses, and being intubated is essentially a death sentence. When the lungs are destroyed, someone is just probably not going to make it. This article is typical in that it hides truths behind factoids and hyperbole.

"We tried this and it didn't work and it's all [reasons] fault." Nice work informing everyone yet again, journalists.
 
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Quality control of the product?
THIS is a concern.

Who is checking? Who would know? <rhetorical>

As FAST as the world's ivermectin pill factories are cranking out product, and at a scale/quantity likely never experienced before, "what could possibly go wrong?"
What protocol/dosing was used?

See, that article fails on every level, to provide any real info, its just opinion.

Correct. Opinion as stated, without any pertinent and very important treatment dosing versus WHEN dosed, and for how long - as well as zero data on zinc, vitamin C, etc. supplemental dosing - both PRE "COVID" infection as well as DURING an (alleged) "COVID" infection.

Finally, what where the age and co-morbidities of those who died?

All fluff and opinion. Troke - THIS is why folks on this board are a bit cross with you - YOU post articles that really don't have the important data points necessary to make a fair assessment of the allegations contained therein.

All of the above points that I listed are IMPORTANT informations for an attempted objective analysis. You SHOULD know that about the "COVID" topic.


intothegoodnight
 
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Anrol5

Inactive
We know three things.

Ivermectin was available over the counter. No prescription
There are 600,000 corpses that the public seems to think came from Covid. Their death rate per 1000 was higher than ours.
The public got so infuriated at the Pres because he did not vaccinate that they are trying to get rid of him.

I was aware of the study just as I am aware of the mountains of anecdotal evidence in this country. There has to be an explanation. I have not seen it.

Troke, nothing will change the minds who have already made them up.

I also have not yet seen the evidence for the use of either Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine for Covid. By that a paper in a peer reviewed journal. Not anecdotal. Not unpublished papers, from countries with questionable scientific methods.

Hydroxychloroquine does have a very few uses for Covid. I will give people that......... But it also a long list of side effects, some of which are life changing and permanent. There are better drugs out there with many more benefits, and far fewer side effects.

I have yet to see any evidence that shows Ivermectin is useful in the treatment of Covid
 
President of Brazil.

Don't need no steenking studies. Just count the corpses. They have more per 1,000 than we got.

And, you know THIS to be true, how? Might "they" be tweaking the data sets to gain the perspective/argument that they are looking for?

Something does not compute here. We got lots of anecdotal evidence showing Iv works on an individual basis. But make it country wide and they got disaster to the point the people were ready the hang the Pres. because he was the one that pushed it.

Or, so the story goes . . .

I can only think they were using Chinese ivermectin.

A worthy suspicion, in the larger scheme of the whole international "COVID" narrative. Many different "teams" playing for keeps - will lie to the public without blinking an eye.


intothegoodnight
 
We know three things.

Ivermectin was available over the counter. No prescription
There are 600,000 corpses that the public seems to think came from Covid. Their death rate per 1000 was higher than ours.
The public got so infuriated at the Pres because he did not vaccinate that they are trying to get rid of him.

I was aware of the study just as I am aware of the mountains of anecdotal evidence in this country. There has to be an explanation. I have not seen it.
False narratives backed up by false data, willingly foisted upon humanity by a complicit communist MSM.

How does that sound to you?


intothegoodnight
 

Toosh

Veteran Member
Come on, man! They've put out better it pieces than this. They put out fake "peer reviewed" studies to tout, then had to quietly take them down. Anyone who has done any research can see this is just another desperate attempt to keep us in fear.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That is what I first thought. But the death rate was so high, surely somebody would have checked that out. But maybe they didn't and they were getting fake pills.


A real possibility, given the history of corruption in this world, and the opportunity for a quick million (or three).
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ya know, all this “information” coming out (conveniently right before the Merck and Pfizer drugs are about to hit the market) remind me of my youth, back in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

Back then, the topic of interest was cigarettes and lung cancer.

Did cigarette smoking actually increase the odds that a person might die of lung cancer?

You had all kinds of “studies,” (almost exclusively funded - overtly or covertly - by the big tobacco companies) ”proving” that it did not.

The tobacco industry made sure the studies they funded got plenty of media coverage.

They bought some of the best scientists of that time with their deep pockets. These scientists would use their credibility to back up the claims that cigarette smoking was harmless. They bought celebrities too. Remember when Lucy and Dezi spoke up for Big Tobacco?

But then there were those pesky little studies - not funded by the tobacco companies - that kept finding a strong correlation between cigarette smoking and lung cancer.

What REALLY WAS the truth?

And how many in my age group ultimately died from lung cancer, or suffered significant negative health effects over the years, because Big Tobacco studies assured the youth of my generation that smoking really wasn’t as hazardous as some malcontents kept saying it was…
 
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Ya know, all this “information” coming out (conveniently right before the Merck and Pfizer drugs are about to hit the market) remind me of my youth, back in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

Back then, the topic of interest was cigarettes and lung cancer.

Did cigarette smoking actually increase the odds that a person might die of lung cancer?

You had all kinds of “studies,” (almost exclusively funded - overtly or covertly - by the big tobacco companies) ”proving” that it did not. The tobacco industry made sure the studies they funded got plenty of media coverage.

But then there were those pesky little studies - not funded by the tobacco companies - that kept finding a strong correlation between cigarette smoking and lung cancer.

What REALLY WAS the truth?

And how many in my age group ultimately died from lung cancer, or suffered significant negative health effects over the years, because Big Tobacco studies assured the youth of my generation that smoking really wasn’t as hazardous as some malcontents kept saying it was?
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I was at the Mayo Clinic about 1952 with my Grandfather. Reader's Digest (Remember them?) had been on a campaign about cigarettes and lung cancer. So we asked the Mayo doc what he thought of it.

Well (puff) he said (puff puff) all of our chest people (puff puff) have quit smoking.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
i would venture to opine this is due to "street Ivermectin" that poor people buy off street sellers are probably aspirin or other counterfeit Ivermectin in Brazil. Their sellers are not regulated like in the USA.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
i would venture to opine this is due to "street Ivermectin" that poor people buy off street sellers are probably aspirin or other counterfeit Ivermectin in Brazil. Their sellers are not regulated like in the USA.
They could buy it over the counter at the local drugstore like aspirin. I think it might have been fake is a possibility. But that assumes nobody checked that. I expect the capability was there so it would seem odd nobody looked.

But when it comes to ivermectin, it is surrounded by oddity.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
There are 2 things that are absolutely certain about ivermectin.

1) If there is any negative information at all its a plot by “them” because “they” want you dead. Never forget that.

and 2) If there is any positive information at all it has more credibility than the gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John….
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
Troke, I’ve known you for 20 years now. And for the last 15 or so, almost everything you post promoted the “party line,” be it never-Trump, support for Mitt Romney, Covid treatment, etc. The list is long. I remember on one thread where you said you supported the party line so your grands and great grands could “get their share” before the country implodes. That paints a picture of a person with a vested interest in trashing anything that doesn’t follow established orthodoxy for any topic. And that’s not an insult; that’s who you are.
 

rob0126

Veteran Member

Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Hilary Brueck Oct 4, 2021, 5:00 AM
Early on in the pandemic, Brazilians thought that ivermectin might also help treat and prevent COVID-19.
But, as one ICU doctor put it: "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

Many Brazilians used to spend about $30 a head on what they called the "kit COVID."

It was a mix of vitamins and other pills that President Jair Bolsonaro touted as early treatments for COVID-19, well before vaccines became widely available to prevent and minimize coronavirus infections.

Among the "kit" drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin.

Brazilian authorities even at one point launched an app, called TrateCov, (in English, an abbreviation of "treat COVID") which recommended the same seven "kit" drugs to all its users. (The evidence base for that protocol leaned heavily on data from Dr. Flávio Cadegiani, who's now a member of the FLCCC, a US-based ivermectin propaganda machine.)


But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1, or Gamma, variant spread quickly across the country.

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York, said. "Then wonder: If this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

Entire cities took ivermectin. It didn't work.

The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country.)

In July 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajaí, to the tune of about $826,000 in government spending. The mayor of Itajaí, the physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."

As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.

Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.

Ivermectin "prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," said Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious-disease and critical-care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection."

The use of ivermectin might have contributed to COVID deaths in other ways, researchers suspect, as some people who assumed they were well protected from infection by ivermectin tossed aside their masks.

"There was a political promotion behind it, to make people feel safe, so that they would continue with their regular life," Taschner said.

Hospitals in Manaus ran out of oxygen in January, as the area recorded one of the highest death rates in the world.

'I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU'

Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio, who works at a government hospital in Porto Alegre, Brazil, told Insider many of her ICU patients took ivermectin in the spring — some trying to prevent COVID-19, others "to early treat their first symptoms."

Their strategy didn't work.

In fact, Antonio estimated about 70% of her ICU patients said during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) that they had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.

She called the heartbreak of the situation "indescribable."

"I've never seen so many young and previously healthy patients dying," she said. "I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU for COVID-19."

Antonio was telling the wives of patients "my husband's age" with "children like mine" that their spouse was dead.

She worried about getting her own family sick, including her husband who wasn't a healthcare worker and therefore was ineligible for vaccination at the time. (He's now vaccinated, she said.)

Brazilians now want vaccines, not more ivermectin

Braziliinesans protest President Jair Bolsonaro, demanding vaccines and calling attention to the more than 200,000 people killed by the coronavirus in Brazil, on January 8 in Brasilia. (The current death toll from COVID-19 in the country is near 600,000

Attitudes about ivermectin have quickly changed in the months since then.

"In the absence of evidence, we'll try certain things," Akrami said. "But at this point in the pandemic, we really don't have any reason to continue prescribing ineffective medications for prophylaxis or treatment."

The "kit" which was once widely prescribed (and self-dosed) in Cuiaba, Macapá, Natal, and Manaus, is now being thrown out by the government. Brazil has a new health minister — a cardiologist who replaced a military general — and vaccines are more widely available.

"We've seen a huge decrease in the number of cases and the number of hospital admissions," Antonio said of the period since vaccinations began. "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

More than nine in 10 Brazilians say they've been vaccinated or intend to get their shots, according to a May poll.

"Across political divides, most people still are being rational and saying, 'I should get vaccinated to protect myself,'" Akrami said. "There's a pretty proud tradition of getting vaccinated here. It's kind of seen as like your civic duty."

Itajaí Mayor Morastoni's Facebook page is peppered with celebrations of vaccine milestones in his city and information on how and where to get vaccinated. (He hasn't mentioned ivermectin once on his page since vaccinations started being administered to healthcare workers in his city in January.)

"People are tired of all the lies and the manipulation and the promotion of miracle cures that they realize don't work," Taschner said.

It's possible ivermectin could one day play a small role in COVID-19 treatment, but it's not looking terribly promising

Major health agencies (including the World Health Organization and US National Institutes of Health) have yet to weigh in definitively on whether ivermectin works to prevent or treat COVID-19.

More conclusive studies are on the way, but the most recent rigorous research of ivermectin for COVID-19 doesn't look promising.

The Brazilian government has issued new protocols for COVID-19 treatment, which recommend against using ivermectin in hospitalized patients, because they say there isn't good evidence it does anything.

"It might look interesting," Antonio said, referencing studies showing that ivermectin can kill COVID-19 in a petri dish, "but in humans, you have plenty of complex pathways competing for the virus in your body."

It is still possible that, in combination with other drugs, the antiparasitic could be one item used in a multilayered system of treatment for COVID-19, perhaps to speed recovery in the early stages of disease.

But other early treatment options, like Merck's new pill, appear far more promising in human trials.

It is "to my surprise," Antonio said, that countries including the US and UK are "becoming crazy for" ivermectin now, with weekly prescriptions for the drug surging across the US since before the pandemic, according to August data from the CDC.

"I really thought it was exclusive Brazilian stuff," she said.

When fear and frustration abound, it's tempting to put one's faith in a simple pill or a kit that promises to erase all suffering.

But "we're not snake-oil salesmen anymore," Akrami said.

Instead, the best medical care today is informed by rigorous research that examines which treatments actually work to improve a patient's status.

"'What's the harm?' is usually the argument," Taschner said of the common refrains given for using unproven treatments like ivermectin. "The harm is it gives people a false impression of security. It makes them feel safe when they are not safe. It drives people away from what really makes them safe, and that's vaccination."

"Take a hard look at Brazil, realistically," she said, "and then come to your own conclusions."

This drives me right up the wall. We have enough anecdotal evidence in this country to indicate that Ivermectin works. Yet, the chronicle above says NO! And as for the India province that "proved' it worked, Word on the Street is that many Districts of the Province failed to report any deaths; Covid, suicide, auto accidents, none. That sure would make the ivermectin look good.

Brazil death rate is higher than ours and ivermectin was available to anybody who wanted it from Day One. I can only conclude that the average Brazilian has a co-morbidity that is doing him in...40 lbs of fat.

Great. send us all your unused ivermectin then.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Troke, I’ve known you for 20 years now. And for the last 15 or so, almost everything you post promoted the “party line,” be it never-Trump, support for Mitt Romney, Covid treatment, etc. The list is long. I remember on one thread where you said you supported the party line so your grands and great grands could “get their share” before the country implodes. That paints a picture of a person with a vested interest in trashing anything that doesn’t follow established orthodoxy for any topic. And that’s not an insult; that’s who you are.
One more time. I am not into philosophic masturbatiom where I only post articles that make everybody feel real good. I leave that to you guys.

The fact that I post something does not mean I agree with it. I post so that you people have some idea what else is going on in the world outside your little cocoon.

Just one example. Some guy has run a statistical analysis hinting that the long term effect of Covid is fatal, you drop dead or something. He claims the death rate of Covid survivors is significantly higher than the norm. I am waiting to see if that is some scheme to push Vac or whether he really has something.

If it looks real, I will post it and get back into my cave.
 

ghost

Veteran Member

Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Hilary Brueck Oct 4, 2021, 5:00 AM
Early on in the pandemic, Brazilians thought that ivermectin might also help treat and prevent COVID-19.
But, as one ICU doctor put it: "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

Many Brazilians used to spend about $30 a head on what they called the "kit COVID."

It was a mix of vitamins and other pills that President Jair Bolsonaro touted as early treatments for COVID-19, well before vaccines became widely available to prevent and minimize coronavirus infections.

Among the "kit" drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin.

Brazilian authorities even at one point launched an app, called TrateCov, (in English, an abbreviation of "treat COVID") which recommended the same seven "kit" drugs to all its users. (The evidence base for that protocol leaned heavily on data from Dr. Flávio Cadegiani, who's now a member of the FLCCC, a US-based ivermectin propaganda machine.)


But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1, or Gamma, variant spread quickly across the country.

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York, said. "Then wonder: If this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

Entire cities took ivermectin. It didn't work.

The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country.)

In July 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajaí, to the tune of about $826,000 in government spending. The mayor of Itajaí, the physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."

As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.

Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.

Ivermectin "prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," said Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious-disease and critical-care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection."

The use of ivermectin might have contributed to COVID deaths in other ways, researchers suspect, as some people who assumed they were well protected from infection by ivermectin tossed aside their masks.

"There was a political promotion behind it, to make people feel safe, so that they would continue with their regular life," Taschner said.

Hospitals in Manaus ran out of oxygen in January, as the area recorded one of the highest death rates in the world.

'I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU'

Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio, who works at a government hospital in Porto Alegre, Brazil, told Insider many of her ICU patients took ivermectin in the spring — some trying to prevent COVID-19, others "to early treat their first symptoms."

Their strategy didn't work.

In fact, Antonio estimated about 70% of her ICU patients said during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) that they had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.

She called the heartbreak of the situation "indescribable."

"I've never seen so many young and previously healthy patients dying," she said. "I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU for COVID-19."

Antonio was telling the wives of patients "my husband's age" with "children like mine" that their spouse was dead.

She worried about getting her own family sick, including her husband who wasn't a healthcare worker and therefore was ineligible for vaccination at the time. (He's now vaccinated, she said.)

Brazilians now want vaccines, not more ivermectin

Braziliinesans protest President Jair Bolsonaro, demanding vaccines and calling attention to the more than 200,000 people killed by the coronavirus in Brazil, on January 8 in Brasilia. (The current death toll from COVID-19 in the country is near 600,000

Attitudes about ivermectin have quickly changed in the months since then.

"In the absence of evidence, we'll try certain things," Akrami said. "But at this point in the pandemic, we really don't have any reason to continue prescribing ineffective medications for prophylaxis or treatment."

The "kit" which was once widely prescribed (and self-dosed) in Cuiaba, Macapá, Natal, and Manaus, is now being thrown out by the government. Brazil has a new health minister — a cardiologist who replaced a military general — and vaccines are more widely available.

"We've seen a huge decrease in the number of cases and the number of hospital admissions," Antonio said of the period since vaccinations began. "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

More than nine in 10 Brazilians say they've been vaccinated or intend to get their shots, according to a May poll.

"Across political divides, most people still are being rational and saying, 'I should get vaccinated to protect myself,'" Akrami said. "There's a pretty proud tradition of getting vaccinated here. It's kind of seen as like your civic duty."

Itajaí Mayor Morastoni's Facebook page is peppered with celebrations of vaccine milestones in his city and information on how and where to get vaccinated. (He hasn't mentioned ivermectin once on his page since vaccinations started being administered to healthcare workers in his city in January.)

"People are tired of all the lies and the manipulation and the promotion of miracle cures that they realize don't work," Taschner said.

It's possible ivermectin could one day play a small role in COVID-19 treatment, but it's not looking terribly promising

Major health agencies (including the World Health Organization and US National Institutes of Health) have yet to weigh in definitively on whether ivermectin works to prevent or treat COVID-19.

More conclusive studies are on the way, but the most recent rigorous research of ivermectin for COVID-19 doesn't look promising.

The Brazilian government has issued new protocols for COVID-19 treatment, which recommend against using ivermectin in hospitalized patients, because they say there isn't good evidence it does anything.

"It might look interesting," Antonio said, referencing studies showing that ivermectin can kill COVID-19 in a petri dish, "but in humans, you have plenty of complex pathways competing for the virus in your body."

It is still possible that, in combination with other drugs, the antiparasitic could be one item used in a multilayered system of treatment for COVID-19, perhaps to speed recovery in the early stages of disease.

But other early treatment options, like Merck's new pill, appear far more promising in human trials.

It is "to my surprise," Antonio said, that countries including the US and UK are "becoming crazy for" ivermectin now, with weekly prescriptions for the drug surging across the US since before the pandemic, according to August data from the CDC.

"I really thought it was exclusive Brazilian stuff," she said.

When fear and frustration abound, it's tempting to put one's faith in a simple pill or a kit that promises to erase all suffering.

But "we're not snake-oil salesmen anymore," Akrami said.

Instead, the best medical care today is informed by rigorous research that examines which treatments actually work to improve a patient's status.

"'What's the harm?' is usually the argument," Taschner said of the common refrains given for using unproven treatments like ivermectin. "The harm is it gives people a false impression of security. It makes them feel safe when they are not safe. It drives people away from what really makes them safe, and that's vaccination."

"Take a hard look at Brazil, realistically," she said, "and then come to your own conclusions."

This drives me right up the wall. We have enough anecdotal evidence in this country to indicate that Ivermectin works. Yet, the chronicle above says NO! And as for the India province that "proved' it worked, Word on the Street is that many Districts of the Province failed to report any deaths; Covid, suicide, auto accidents, none. That sure would make the ivermectin look good.

Brazil death rate is higher than ours and ivermectin was available to anybody who wanted it from Day One. I can only conclude that the average Brazilian has a co-morbidity that is doing him in...40 lbs of fat.
There are no DaMM experts any where, I read somewhere the test they take, shows how DUMB THEY ARE, LOOK FOR THE THEIR TEST TO BE AND E X P E R T?
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
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Who are these 'experts'? A nameless ICU doctor, a microbiologist from new york and two other brazillian doctors. From what I can tell these are the 'experts' warning the US. Have they published their studies to back their claims?

I know several people who had the rona, they took ivermectin and recovered therefore in my expert opinion ivermectin is effective against covid. Now if I can just get the business insider to publish my opinion as fact .....

But, as one ICU doctor put it: "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York, said. "Then wonder: If this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

Ivermectin "prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," said Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious-disease and critical-care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador.

Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio, who works at a government hospital in Porto Alegre, Brazil, told Insider many of her ICU patients took ivermectin in the spring — some trying to prevent COVID-19, others "to early treat their first symptoms."
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
One more time. I am not into philosophic masturbatiom where I only post articles that make everybody feel real good. I leave that to you guys.

The fact that I post something does not mean I agree with it. I post so that you people have some idea what else is going on in the world outside your little cocoon.

Just one example. Some guy has run a statistical analysis hinting that the long term effect of Covid is fatal, you drop dead or something. He claims the death rate of Covid survivors is significantly higher than the norm. I am waiting to see if that is some scheme to push Vac or whether he really has something.

If it looks real, I will post it and get back into my cave.
:applaud:
 
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