ENER Blue States Are Stripping Rural Counties Of Ability To Prevent Green Energy Takeover Of Their Communities

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Blue States Are Stripping Rural Counties Of Ability To Prevent Green Energy Takeover Of Their Communities

Several blue states have deprived rural counties of the ability to reject the massive green energy projects that corporations want to site in their communities, while green industrial interests and environmentalist groups have poured money into state capitals.

Michigan, California, New York and Illinois have all passed legislation that consolidates authority over land use issues and rules with state-level bureaucrats at the expense of local governments that could have altered their own zoning codes to stem the tide of industrial green projects like solar and wind farms. These policies deprive rural residents in these states of their freedom and local autonomy, while also benefiting the corporate interests that line the pockets of the states’ Democratic governors, state policy experts and lawmakers told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

“Much of the renewables business and movement has been co-opted by big corporations,” which “are spending millions” on politics “because this is a matter of billions for them,” Edward Ring, a senior fellow for the California Policy Institute and the organization’s co-founder, told the DCNF. “What we are seeing, for example, with the ‘Inflation Reduction Act,’ is one of the biggest gifts of money to corporations that we have ever seen in this country,” Ring told the DCNF, referring to the IRA’s subsidies facilitating the rise of green energy.

Since 2020, there have been about 350 local restrictions or rejections of solar and wind projects across the country, according to energy expert Robert Bryce’s Renewable Rejection Database.


Michigan​


Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer recently enacted her state’s green energy mandate, which sets a target for 100% green energy generation by 2040. The legislation has the state poised to significantly ramp up construction of solar and wind developments, as well as carbon capture pipelines that will be needed for the state’s natural gas plants to continue to operate in the future.

One of the bills Whitmer signed into law as part of the package, H.B. 5120, specifically allows the Michigan Public Services Commission, the state’s utility regulatory body overseen by officials appointed by the governor, to exercise permitting authority for large green energy projects rather than leaving zoning discretion to the municipal governments. Several local opposition campaigns in more rural locales across the state were able to hinder major green energy developments in their communities, but the new law could make similar grassroots success in the future effectively impossible.

Whitmer’s green energy package and the siting bill “very clearly advance the interests of monopoly utilities, big wind and solar developers and extreme environmental groups over the interests of local communities and rural Michiganders,” Jason Hayes, the director of energy and environmental policy for the Mackinac Center, a Michigan-based think tank, told the DCNF. “Put another way, these bills protect the profits of politically favored and heavily subsidized wind and solar developers, while sacrificing the rights and interests of the communities that will have to endure the wind turbines and solar arrays developers want to build… rural Michiganders will have to endure both the rising costs and the intrusions into their lives and environment as massive increases in wind and solar development begin to occur.”

A nonprofit organization linked to DTE Energy, a major utility company that Hayes told the DCNF stands to gain from the state’s green energy mandate, shelled out $2 million to help Michigan Democrats in 2022, according to The Detroit News. DTE Energy also gave $400,185 to organizations that spent, directly or indirectly, on Whitmer’s behalf before and after her victory in the 2018 gubernatorial race, according to the Michigan Capitol Confidential.

While DTE Energy also gives money to Republicans, Democrats received substantially more from the company in 2018 and 2022, according to the Michigan Capitol Confidential and The Detroit News.

Additionally, since 2021, Whitmer-affiliated political funds have raked in more than $100,000 in campaign cash from environmentalist organizations that support the green energy transition, like 314 Action and the Michigan League of Conservation Voters’ political action committee, according to state campaign finance records.

“Gov. Whitmer and Lansing Democrats are ignoring the concerns of Michigan families and forcibly imposing massive wind and solar projects on communities who have clearly stated that they do not want them,” Republican Michigan State Rep. Jaime Green, who represents a rural district and serves in Michigan’s House Energy, Communications and Technology Committee, told the DCNF. “Gov. Whitmer has sent a clear message: If there’s a disagreement between what local people want and what the environmental lobby wants, she’s siding with the lobbyists.”

While not directly related to the state’s consolidation of siting and permitting authority, the reaction of locals in rural Green Charter Township to a China-tied electric vehicle battery component manufacturer’s plans to set up shop in their community shows that local residents and state officials do not always agree on what is best for a given community. Whitmer, fellow Democrats and green energy advocates hailed Gotion’s plans to build subsidized facilities in the area as a major step forward for Michigan’s green economy, but many locals did not approve of the company because of its extensive connections to the Chinese Communist Party via its parent company, Gotion High-Tech.

Voters punished local officials who had supported the company in November at the ballot box, ousting five members of the township’s council, the township’s clerk and the township’s treasurer. Those officials had overseen and facilitated Gotion’s plans to operate in the area before their removal. (RELATED: ‘Made-Up Numbers’: Whitmer Misstates Key Stat From Study While Selling Her Green Energy Legislation)

California​


California, another state dominated by the Democratic Party, passed a law in June 2022 that enables state bureaucrats to bypass local restrictions in order to permit large-scale green energy projects. Similar to Michigan’s newly-enacted statute, the California law is specifically designed to facilitate the state’s pursuit of 100% zero-carbon energy generation by 2045.

“The Democratic lawmakers themselves, along with a lot of Republicans even in red states, are just getting so much money from these companies,” Ring told the DCNF regarding the green energy lobby’s influence in politics. “There is a reason we have eminent domain for some purposes, such as building pipelines and streets. Now, we have an abuse of eminent domain, and also an overriding of zoning—the problem is when you use it for something that relies on hype, without a proven and compelling public interest,” like fast-tracking solar and wind projects that often harm the environment while providing unreliable, intermittent power, Ring added.

Like Whitmer, Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a self-proclaimed environmentalist, has received considerable financial support from interests that ostensibly stand to benefit from a rapid buildout of green energy projects in the state. Between his 2018 and 2022 gubernatorial campaigns, Newsom received more than $340,000 from green energy trade groups, political action committees and executives, according to state campaign finance records reviewed by the DCNF.

“There is nothing wrong with being an environmentalist, per se. The issue is that the environmentalist movement has been hijacked by corporate interests,” Ring told the DCNF.

New York​


New York state established the Office for Renewable Energy Siting (ORES) in April 2020, when former Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo was still in office before he resigned amid sexual harassment and COVID-19 scandals. ORES has the ability to not apply “any local law or ordinance” that is “unreasonably burdensome” for a proposed green energy facility in view of the state’s aggressive green energy goals or the perceived environmental benefits associated with a given project, according to the enabling statute’s text.

The bulk of new solar and wind projects are sited in upstate New York, a more rural region of the state that already receives most of its energy from carbon-free generation sources, Ken Girardin, the New York-based Empire Center’s research director, told the DCNF, citing data from the New York Independent System Operator.

“New York’s land-use policies and practices are far from perfect, but these are projects that wouldn’t be coming to areas if it weren’t for considerable public subsidies,” Girardin told the DCNF.

Cuomo and his successor, Democratic New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, each received considerable contributions from interest groups that ostensibly stand to gain from a green energy transition in the state. Green energy companies, trade groups and executives, as well as relevant unions and their political action committees, have contributed about $270,000 combined to the two politicians since 2018, according to state campaign finance records reviewed by the DCNF.

Unions are a major political force in the state, and they ostensibly could benefit from the scale of the many projects that will need to be built in order to meet the state’s longer-term green energy targets, Girardin told the DCNF. (RELATED: This Populous Blue State Has A Green Energy Mandate. Experts Say It Threatens Grid Reliability)

Illinois​


In February, Democratic Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker enacted H.B. 4412, which “prevents counties from enacting preemptive local ordinances that outright ban local wind and solar projects, hindering the state’s new climate goals.” Illinois is aiming to reach 100% green energy generation by 2050, and will need to build out a significant network of new solar and wind projects to get there.

“These new energy companies, many of which are owned by large, out-of-state venture capital firms receiving massive tax breaks, are now able to remove local control against the wishes of the community,” Republican Illinois State Sen. Terri Bryant told the DCNF about the policy. “This bill is especially dangerous in heavily agriculture counties that have limited zoning and large spaces of land used for crops… removing local control in favor of new energy companies, many of which are out of state and out of the country, is not just a threat to property rights, but to our national security and food supply chain.”

In his two terms as governor, Pritzker has pursued left-wing policies in numerous policy arenas, including imposing tight gun control measures, a $15 minimum wage and eliminating cash bail requirements for suspected criminals. These policies align with the left-wing agenda promulgated by other members of his family, one of the wealthiest in the country, according to the New York Post.

The offices of Whitmer, Newsom, Hochul and Pritzker did not respond immediately to requests for comm
 

dvo

Veteran Member
Get out of the blue states if you have conservative leanings. Costly and difficult for sure. We know. Just moved to TN from Ohio, which seemed to be getting purple in our view. I’m sleeping a bit more soundly as a result of our move, but the process has been a bear in a number of ways. On our last moving trip to Ohio, DW heard four gunshots during the night in what used to be a very conservative Canal Winchester. That…is a huge change and bad sign.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Took a quick trip last week, over to WV's ski resorts. Along the top of the ridges near Mt. Storm, a nuclear power plant... were miles & miles of wind turbines disrupting the glorious woods that blanket the mountains. Ugly; and the movement of the blades causes issues for those of us with eyes that track movement. Definitely an issue driving 2 lane twisties that are new to you.
 

Sherrynboo

Veteran Member
I think this will be implemented nationwide if not stopped! Glen Beck has been talking about it for a couple of weeks now. Something to do with the SEC. I will try to find it over at the Blaze. I am not a paid subscriber so I may be limited in what I can find.
 

Sherrynboo

Veteran Member
Ok, I found it!


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SEC Poised to Authorize “Natural Asset Companies”​

Posted on October 20, 2023 by admin
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SEC Poised to Authorize “Natural Asset Companies”
October 4, 2023, the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) issued a proposed rule to approve the creation of a new investment vehicle, the “Natural Asset Company (NAC).” (88 Fed. Reg. 68811 (Oct. 4, 2023)) This new vehicle was created by the Intrinsic Exchange Group (IEG) in partnership with the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE).
The IEG was founded by the Rockefeller Foundation with supporting partners including international environmental organizations such as the World Wildlife Fund.
The purpose for this new investment product is to provide a vehicle for elite investors and governments to profit from the protection of natural resources created by climate crisis policies. It is why these same proponents have been calling for the permanent protection of at least 30 percent of the world’s land and oceans by 2023 – the 30×30 agenda. These same actors are also pushing the net zero and decarbonization policies.
Their objective is not the conservation of the land. They seek total political and financial control of the world’s natural resources particularly in the United States.
Download Briefing Paper PDF
KEY POINTS:
  1. Proposed Rule Authorizes Federal Lands, Including National Parks, to be Enrolled into NACs.
  2. Proposed Rule Gives “Management Authority” to the NAC.
  3. The Biden Administration is Preparing to Enroll the Federal Lands into NACs.
  4. Proposed Rule Invites Foreign Interests to Invest in an NAC.
  5. Land Trusts can Enroll Conservation Easements without Landowner’s Permission.
  6. Exclusive Rights to Natural Processes will be Monetized and Assigned to NACs.
  7. Protection of the Resources is Prioritized over Human Flourishing.
PRIMARY SOURCE:
SEC Proposed Rule Change To Amend the NYSE Listed Company Manual To Adopt Listing Standards for Natural Asset Companies
BACKGROUND:
The Intrinsic Exchange Group (IEG) claims the new natural asset economy will be a $5000 Trillion economy, four times larger than today’s economy, which is $105 Trillion. This is because they are creating an entirely new set of values — quantifying and monetizing “natural processes” and “ecosystem services” which every human being must have to live, and no one has a right to own. They are quite literally attempting to profit from, and control, the air we breathe.
They state that it is the act of protecting the resources, thereby increasing ecosystems services from nature, that will give the NAC its value and the shareholders an investment return. It is not the production of traditional consumer goods. In fact, they specifically prohibit an NAC from engaging in “unsustainable extractive activities.”
Three categories of lands make up a NAC: Natural (protected), Working (some productive uses highly regulated) and Hybrid (a mix of Natural and Working). They state that the investment return will come from “ecotourism revenue or carbon credit sales on natural lands and commodity crop production on working lands.” (IEG Website)
Ultimately, the NACs must hold rights to fixed assets such as land, water, conservation easements, federal protected lands, and crops to offer exclusive rights to the intrinsic elements they claim will be produced by protecting the area.
With the issuance of this proposed rule the SEC is approving the final step necessary to rob the American people of their property and natural rights.
1. The Proposed Rule Authorizes Federal Lands, Including National Parks, to be Enrolled into the NAC.
The SEC rule defines a Natural Asset Company as follows:
“NACs will be corporations that hold the rights to the ecological performance (i.e., the value of natural assets and production of ecosystem services) produced by natural or working areas, such as national reserves or large-scale farmlands, and have the authority to manage the areas for conservation, restoration, or sustainable management. These rights can be licensed like other rights, including ‘‘run with the land’’ rights (such as mineral rights, water rights, or air rights), and NACs are expected to license these rights from sovereign nations or private landowners.” (Fed. Reg. Vol. 88, No. 191, 10/4/2023, page 68812)
Exhibit 3 of the SEC proposed rule is the IEG “Ecological Performance Reporting Framework,” which describes how NACs are to be created, measured, valued and reported for investment purposes. The Framework states:
“These assets can be areas that are publicly owned, such as a national park, or tracts of privately owned property held by individuals or corporations.” (IEG Framework, SEC Proposed Rule Exhibit 3, page 7)
The IEG Website describes the ability to enroll federal land assets into NACs as:
“… a transformational solution whereby natural ecosystems are not simply a cost to manage, but rather, an investible productive asset which provides financial capital and a source of wealth for governments and its citizens.”
Another type of publicly owned land that can be enrolled in an NAC is a “conservation lease.” The Bureau of Land Management has recently issued a proposed rule that would prioritize “conservation” over the “multiple-uses” on the federal lands it manages. The rule also creates a new process whereby the agency can issue “conservation leases” that exclude other multiple-uses from those lands, and can therefore be enrolled into an NAC.
2. The Proposed Rule Gives “Management Authority” to the NAC.
The proposed rule gives the NAC corporate board “management authority” over all the assets within the NAC. This includes those federal lands providing the asset base for the NAC. This raises a fundamental constitutional question: How can a private investment company have management authority over federal lands Congress has the exclusive Constitutional authority to manage — authority it has delegated to the land management agencies?
Nevertheless, the SEC is authorizing this action. The plain language of the SEC proposed rule gives the private investment company management authority over the “ecological performance” of the enrolled federal natural assets. This authority is baked into the NAC’s definition set forth in the proposed rules.
“Natural Asset Companies (NACs) — Corporations that hold the rights to the ecological performance of a defined area and have the authority to manage the areas for conservation, restoration, or sustainable management.” (Fed. Reg. Vol. 88, No. 191, 10/4/2023, page 68814)
This definition makes clear that not only will the NAC have the controlling management authority over the assets, but that this must be carried out to ensure the assets are conserved and sustainably used. This eliminates any productive uses necessary for human flourishing.
The SEC Proposed Rule defines “Ecological Performance Rights” as follows:
“The rights to the value of natural assets and the production or ecosystem services in a designated area, including the authority to manage the area. These rights are granted to a NAC, from a natural asset owner, as provided through a license agreement.” (Fed. Reg. Vol. 88, No. 191, 10/4/2023, page 68813)
This management authority also extends to the private lands, conservation easements, and State lands. It is extended to all the assets controlled by the NAC.
3. The Biden Administration is Preparing to Enroll the Federal Lands into NACs.
The IEG Framework will be using the “natural capital accounting standards established in the United Nations System of Environmental-Economic Accounting— Ecosystem Accounting Framework (‘‘SEEA EA’’).” This is the only system that has placed a value on natural processes and ecosystem services. According to the IEG document, over 90 countries have signed on to use SEEA to “measure and track natural assets, including the United States.”
The Biden Administration released the “National Strategy to Develop Statistics for Environmental Economic Decisions” in January of 2023. They are creating “Natural Capital Accounts (NACs)” to track the intrinsic values of nature and place these alongside traditional assets on the federal balance sheet.
The report describes the purpose as follows:
“It creates a U.S. system to account for natural assets—from the minerals that power our tech economy and are driving the electric-vehicle revolution, to the ocean and rivers that support our fishing industry, to the forests that clean our air—and quantify the immense value this natural capital provides. This National Strategy will help us understand and consistently track changes in the condition and economic value of land, water, air, and other natural assets. It will also help the federal government fulfill its responsibility to the American people to provide a fuller understanding of our economy. And it will provide data to guide the federal government and the economy through the transition we need for sustainable growth and development, a stable climate, and a healthy planet.” (Report Introduction)
Along with adopting the UN accounting system, the Biden Administration has been gathering data on every natural element and process. The American Conservation and Stewardship Atlas initiated under 30×30 is quantifying the natural resources and their protected status. The recent USDA farm survey required landowners to provide more information about their operations than ever before. Failing to do so would be a violation of law.
They are collecting data about the natural assets, natural processes, and ecosystem services for a reason — to establish these assets to be used as collateral to increase the national debt, as new vehicles to tax the American people, and as the asset base for an investment product.
Additionally, the land management agencies are clearing the way for our federal lands to be included in the private investment product. As mentioned above, the BLM’s proposed “conservation” rule would position these lands to be enrolled in NACs.
As the Biden Administration revises the numerous federal resource management plans that govern the federal holdings, they are eliminating the productive uses and increasing the protected areas. This will make these lands eligible for enrollment into NACs.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is creating large “Conservation Areas” around National Wildlife Refuges, where the private land is targeted for acquisition and conservation easements in perpetuity. Most recently, they announced the creation of a 5.8-million-acre conservation area in Montana: The Missouri Headwaters Conservation Area. This was done without the knowledge of the State, even though 500,000 acres of State land and over two million acres of private land are included within the designated area.
The IEG website uses the example of “conservation areas” to describe how an NAC can be created in “Hybrid Areas” where there is a mix of protected and working lands, as well as small communities within the companies boundaries.
All the Biden Administration actions are being carried out for the purpose of conserving, restoring and sustainably managing the lands — the same objectives necessary for the formation of Natural Asset Companies.
4. The SEC Proposed Rule Invites Foreign Interests to Invest in an NAC.
It appears that adversarial countries, such as China, can own shares in NACs that hold the rights to our federal lands and profit from its protection while controlling how we use these lands.
Exhibit 5 of the SEC proposed rule is the manual language that will be adopted by the New York Stock Exchange authorizing the listing of NACs. At section 103.00 “Foreign Private Issuers,” it states: “The Exchange welcomes listing inquiries from foreign private issuers.”
This gives foreign investors permission to hold shares in or create an NAC. Importantly, however, there is nothing in the rule, the NYSE manual language, or the IEG Framework that prohibits foreign nations from also holding shares in or creating an NAC. The SEC should make clear whether or not foreign governments can invest in these companies.
5. Land Trusts can Enroll Conservation Easements without Landowner’s Permission.
The conservation easements held by Environmental and Agriculture Land Trusts, as well as Federal Agencies, can be enrolled into the NAC with or without the landowner’s permission. They stand to gain a huge profit off the backs of America’s landowners.
This includes the federal conservation easements such as the Wetlands Reserve Program and the Agriculture Conservation Easement Program funded through the Farm Bill.
6. Exclusive Rights to Natural Processes will be Monetized and Assigned to NAC’s.
Natural processes such as clean air, clean water, ecosystem services and other natural functions — those essential processes that are required by every human to live — are being arbitrarily monetized and the exclusive rights to these are being assigned to the NACs.
The IEG Framework states:
“Natural assets like forests, wetlands, or grasslands, provide a wealth of goods and services to people that not only sustain economic activity but that make life on Earth possible. These goods and services are called ecosystem services and include benefits such as clean air, water, productive soils for agriculture, food, climate stability, habitat for wildlife, genetic materials, medicines, and food.” (Exhibit 3, IEG Framework, page 2)
7. Protection of the Resources is Prioritized over Human Flourishing
The purpose of the NACs are to conserve, restore and sustainably manage the natural assets that make up the corporation. The IEG Website goes further to explain that protecting the resources is more important than securing human wellbeing.
“Yet producing these essential goods and services and managing resources wisely is as valuable, or perhaps even more valuable, than the food production.”
Not only is protection of the land placed above producing food for society, extractive uses are specifically prohibited. Exhibit 5, the NYSE Manual Amendment reads:
“The NAC will be prohibited from engaging directly or indirectly in unsustainable activities. These are defined as activities that cause any material adverse impact on the condition of the natural assets under its control, and that extract resources without replenishing them (including, but not limited to, traditional fossil fuel development, mining, unsustainable logging, or perpetuating industrial agriculture). The NAC will be prohibited from using its funds to finance such unsustainable activities.” (Fed. Reg. Vol. 88, No. 191, 10/4/2023, page 68814)
RECOMMENDED ACTIONS:
1. Share this briefing with your local, State and Federal Elected Representatives. There will be letters in the US House and Senate for Members to sign to oppose the proposed Rule. The Senate Letter is being lead by Senator Pete Ricketts (R-NE).
2. Submit your comment to the SEC Proposed Rule here. Even though the 21 day comment period has closed, you may still be able to register your position and ask for more time to comment: SEC.gov |
RESOURCES:
The SEC Proposed Rule and Exhibits: SEC.gov | Notice of Filing of Proposed Rule Change to Amend the NYSE Listed Company Manual to Adopt Listing Standards for Natural Asset Companies
The Intrinsic Exchange Group Website: IEG
The New York Stock Exchange Announcement: Natural Asset Companies (NACs)
National Strategy to Develop Environmental Economic Statistics: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Natural-Capital-Accounting-Strategy-final.pdf
Article, “Monetizing the Air we Breathe:” Natural Assets: Monetizing the Air We Breathe | American Stewards
 

Milkweed Host

Veteran Member
Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer recently enacted her state’s green energy mandate, which sets a target for 100% green energy generation by 2040.



Gretchen, I don't believe that's possible or anything close to it.

I've seen huge piles of used wind generator blades. Now that is ugly.

These lone rangers in government are causing huge piles of waste that so far
has not been addressed.

Common sense would dictate that 100% wind & solar is not reliable, unless there's
a big battery out there that I'm not aware of.

A 100% wind/solar system would require a really efficient backup supply of power from
another state or source.

Some wind & solar is okay to augment our current system, but not 100%.

Plus, when you piss on the locals, vandalism spreads.
When vandalism spreads, it becomes impossible to control/stop.

Oh, Gretchen, please wear a face mask when out in public, you're scaring both
children and adults alike.
 

Signwatcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just drove through the Marshall, Michigan area yesterday and was disgusted with all the solar fields present.

I remember reading about area residents trying to stop it. Of course, it was futile.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Get out of the blue states if you have conservative leanings. Costly and difficult for sure. We know. Just moved to TN from Ohio, which seemed to be getting purple in our view. I’m sleeping a bit more soundly as a result of our move, but the process has been a bear in a number of ways. On our last moving trip to Ohio, DW heard four gunshots during the night in what used to be a very conservative Canal Winchester. That…is a huge change and bad sign.
Well depending on where you moved to in TN, gunfire may become a new constant in your life.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not surprised at all. They want to strip rural areas and normal people of absolutely everything anyway.
 

PrairieMoon

Veteran Member

SEC Poised to Authorize “Natural Asset Companies”​


This is so ugly. Guessing landowners won't stand a chance when companies want to put a pipeline in for whatever reason. (I'm thinking of the recent CO2 pipeline battles in South Dakota and Iowa).

And to allow foreign investors? Is this what we discussed with China in San Fransisco? I know first hand what it's like to try to reason with federal officials with our wetland reserve. They are unreasonable and don't care about anything but their self-serving programs in the name climate change. There is no recourse. Elected officials shy away from helping. And still, people still think our government is here to help us.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Oh, Gretchen, please wear a face mask when out in public, you're scaring both
children and adults alike.

Or as I refer to her the fascist in panty hose. And yeah, a mask wouldn't hurt. She never comes this far north in the State however. She always sends her Lt. Governor to make an appearance on auspicious occasions.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
A 100% wind/solar system would require a really efficient backup supply of power from
another state or source.
But then it wouldn't be a 100% wind/solar system would it?

Except in the minds of your elite and more particularly the mouths of their "spokes-press."

Delusion is endemic until it is fatal.

Dobbin
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Who wants to make a bet that they are just going to make a global grid, and whatever the "sunny side" at the moment can produce, will have to power it and everything else at the same time.

Remember that the smart meters have the disconnect in them... Who wants to make a bet that the highest social credit score will have at least some power, and the rest will have to get used to living "at the speed of dark."...
 

dvo

Veteran Member
Well depending on where you moved to in TN, gunfire may become a new constant in your life.
Yup. Hear it some days. Lots of ranges around here. I will need to join one. But it’s not a 9mm going pop pop pop in the middle of the night aimed in no serious direction by a wanna be gang banger. IOW, it’s not the round with my name on it that concerns me, it’s the round addressed to whom it may concern that is the worry.
 
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Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Took a quick trip last week, over to WV's ski resorts. Along the top of the ridges near Mt. Storm, a nuclear power plant... were miles & miles of wind turbines disrupting the glorious woods that blanket the mountains. Ugly; and the movement of the blades causes issues for those of us with eyes that track movement. Definitely an issue driving 2 lane twisties that are new to you.
Mt Storm is a coal plant.
There is a man made lake there used to cool the plant. It's popular with divers because it's always warm.
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Get out of the blue states if you have conservative leanings. Costly and difficult for sure. We know. Just moved to TN from Ohio, which seemed to be getting purple in our view. I’m sleeping a bit more soundly as a result of our move, but the process has been a bear in a number of ways. On our last moving trip to Ohio, DW heard four gunshots during the night in what used to be a very conservative Canal Winchester. That…is a huge change and bad sign.
DVO,

If you are TRULY a conservative, and will choose to fit into our social structure instead of try to change it, then I welcome you to my humble state with open arms.

HOWEVER, we have too many folks coming in to our red state with lots of money, trying to change things. If the liberal ways put blue states like California, New York and Chicago into the crapper - why in heavens name are so many out of state “conservatives” trying to thrust the same failed politics and social structure onto one of the few states that have not been totally ruined by wokism?

I am not suggesting that you would be one of these folks, DVO.

The fact that you hang around this conservative palace would probably suggest you are one of the true conservatives.

But we have too many out of state people moving in, bringing their failing wokeism with them.

Which is why I cringe every time I hear of another blue state person moving in.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.

SEC Poised to Authorize “Natural Asset Companies”​


This is so ugly. Guessing landowners won't stand a chance when companies want to put a pipeline in for whatever reason. (I'm thinking of the recent CO2 pipeline battles in South Dakota and Iowa).

And to allow foreign investors? Is this what we discussed with China in San Fransisco? I know first hand what it's like to try to reason with federal officials with our wetland reserve. They are unreasonable and don't care about anything but their self-serving programs in the name climate change. There is no recourse. Elected officials shy away from helping. And still, people still think our government is here to help us.
The pipelines are going in all over the place as well..Carbon sequestration is another boondoggle of epic trillions......it's all such a scam, and it is a version of treason.....selling off the peoples lands.....this is absurd at its foundation, as it all is. Nothing is rooted in good science, it's all junk science. Lots of university professors push this garbage.
 

Zardoz

Contributing Member
Say,....that's a nice Green Project you've got there, that's violating other peoples rights. It would be a shame if something happened to it. :eek:
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Say,....that's a nice Green Project you've got there, that's violating other peoples rights. It would be a shame if something happened to it. :eek:
And when everyone becomes blind to sabotage companies will get the message after insurance rates skyrocket
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
There is doing a referendum and you start a petition and get enough signatures to force them to put the issue on the ballot for everyone to vote on it and they pretend they like this but they really do not like it.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Mt Storm is a coal plant.
There is a man made lake there used to cool the plant. It's popular with divers because it's always warm.

Well, right you are! How about that? All this time, based on research I did on this area, I believed it to be a nuke plant. I'm rather relieved, to be honest.
 
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