BRKG At least 8 Ebola aid workers reportedly killed 'in cold blood' by villagers in Guinea

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ortedly-killed-in-cold-blood-by-villagers-in/



At least eight Ebola aid workers and journalists were reportedly murdered and dumped in a latrine in a remote village in Guinea in a frightening example of the growing distrust locals have of foreigners coming to help stem the mushrooming health crisis.

These deaths are believed to be the first resulting from resistance to international efforts to curb the Ebola outbreak in the region. Other aid teams have been forced to turn back by crowds in several locations, and a treatment center in Monrovia, Liberia was attacked and looted.

"The eight bodies were found in the village latrine."

- Albert Damantang Camara, spokesman for Guinea's government

"The eight bodies were found in the village latrine," Albert Damantang Camara, a spokesman for Guinea's government, told Reuters on Thursday, adding that they had been "killed in cold blood by the villagers."

Prime Minister Fofana reported that the aid mission included "local administrators, two medical officers, a preacher and three accompanying journalists." They were reportedly attacked by a large crowd, throwing stones, from the village of Wome.

The delegation had arrived on Tuesday to do disinfection work and educate people about preventing Ebola, but residents pelted them with rocks and beat them, according to the Los Angeles Times, citing Guinean radio reports. The delegation, which is believed to have included three journalists and a local politician, fled into the bush. One journalist who escaped said she heard people looking for her while she hid, according to the BBC.

On Thursday, the bodies were found in the septic tank of a village school in the village, according to Camara.Ebola first surfaced in southeastern Guinea, where the attacks took place, in March. Since then, it has spread through the lower continent despite international efforts to combat it. More than 2,600 people have died from the disease.

Complicating efforts is the lack of education in remote areas, where some residents don't believe the virus exists. Last month, in the same area where the aid workers were killed, people rioted out of fear that workers disinfecting a market were contaminating people, according to the BBC.

The killings are believed to be the first resulting from resistance to international efforts to curb the Ebola outbreak in the region. Other aid teams have been forced to turn back by crowds in several locations, and a treatment center in Monrovia, Liberia was attacked and looted, Reuters reported. Security for aid workers, for clinics and hospitals, remains a concern in the region. All of the governments affected and the international agencies fighting the epidemic are trying to reach out to the rural communities where misinformation and fear have prevented effective measures to control the spread of Ebola. Until all of the areas with infections have been reached and controls implemented, a reservoir of Ebola will remain and continue to spread, say experts.
 

kytom

escapee from reality
for me this article applies and explains much about the behavior of blacks in both countries!
http://www.amren.com/news/2014/08/to-understand-the-ferguson-riots-look-to-africa/

Western societies require Westerners.

The con works like this: Blacks claim racism. They scream and demonstrate. Their leaders fly in to pump up the excitement. The lickspittle press clucks about oppression. Lickspittle whites join the demonstrations. Eventually the facts come out, and they are nothing like what was initially claimed–but it makes no difference. Blacks are so drunk on indignation that facts don’t matter, and whites are so drunk on self righteousness they can’t see they were flimflammed.

We’ve seen this over and over: Trayvon Martin, the Duke Rape Hoax, the Jena Six, Tawana Brawley, the “Compton Cookout”/UC San Diego fraud, and America’s never-ending stream of hate-crime hoaxes. Why do we always fall for the same trick? First, we have Africa in our midst. Second, our rulers don’t realize we have Africa in our midst.




It may be that the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, that touched off a week of black riots was unjustified. But let us recall the very first version of events–the one that sent blacks screaming into the streets.

Brown’s pal, Dorian Johnson, went on the air and claimed that he and Brown were walking in the middle of the street, a white cop told them to get on the sidewalk, and then blazed away at Brown when he refused. He says Brown had his hands in the air and was saying “I don’t have a gun. Don’t shoot,” when the cop poured lead into him from 20 or 30 feet away.

There is probably not a single sworn peace officer anywhere in the United States who would shoot an unarmed man with his hands in the air from 20 feet away. That’s about as likely as an entire white lacrosse team gang-raping a black stripper. But that is what the press reported–along with a vague police account of a struggle for the officer’s gun–and it sent thousands of people into the streets running around with their arms in the air, pretending to be an innocent black men about to be shot.

HandsUp

The essential point is that the public doesn’t yet know what happened–though there is evidence now coming out that looks bad for the six-foot, four-inch, 294-pound “gentle giant,” as his admirers now no longer call him: He was high on marijuana, had just committed a strong-arm robbery, may have fractured the white cop’s eye socket in a struggle, and may have been charging straight for the officer when he was shot.

An even more important point is that a huge number of blacks don’t care what happened. An early Rasmussen poll found that 57 percent of blacks think the officer who did the shooting–Darren Wilson–should be found guilty of murder. The figure for whites was 17 percent. Brown’s mother says Officer Wilson should be arrested, tried, convicted, and given the death penalty. The Black Panthers are leading groups of blacks in a responsive chant: “What’s his name?” “Darren Wilson.” “How do we want him?” “Dead.” The president of the county NAACP chapter issued a press release saying that “yet another teenaged boy has been slaughtered by law enforcement.”

Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackon, and the head of the national NAACP have all jetted in to demand “justice.” Not one of them has pointed out that there are at least three investigations going on–federal, county, and police department–and that there should be no baying for blood until the facts are known.
Al Sharpton stands with Michael Brown's parents.

Al Sharpton stands with Michael Brown’s parents.

Attorney General Eric Holder, who arrived today to join the tub-thumping, has sent no fewer than 40 FBI agents to Ferguson to find out what happened. I can’t believe that 40 FBI agents-worth of anything has ever happened in Ferguson, but it is clear that if we sit tight, we will know more than we do now.

As for Officer Wilson, we have a procedure for deciding, first, whether to indict him and, second, if he is guilty. Prosecutors present the known evidence to a grand jury. If the grand jury finds probable cause, it votes to indict. At trial, witnesses for both sides are examined and cross examined in open court. Only then does a jury determine guilt or innocence.

This is a Western procedure that evolved over many centuries, and is designed to be as fair as possible. It is based on the presumption of innocence, and withholds judgment until all evidence is considered. It derives, in other words, from a deliberative, reasoned approach to the truth that is obviously alien to large numbers of blacks.
The Eumenides is a 2,500-year-old Greek play that explores mediated justice.

The Eumenides is a 2,500-year-old Greek play that explores procedural justice. In this depiction, the Furies howl for Orestes’ blood before Athena intervenes.

The public is often surprised and frustrated by how long it takes for the facts to emerge in cases such as the Trayvon Martin incident or the Jena Six. By the time the press gets anything like the whole picture, blacks have already swallowed a fantastic tale of “racism,” and have been rampaging for weeks.

The truth comes out slowly because the system is designed to prevent leaks and half truths that could give rise to precisely what is happening in Ferguson. Grand jury proceedings, for example, are strictly sealed in order to protect the innocent in case deliberations do not lead to indictment.

In the Michael Brown case, police released the video of the strong-arm robbery far earlier than is usual. Eric holder objected and was furious when local police ignored him. Obviously, the police released the video in the hope of balancing the skewed story that was fueling the riots, but Mr. Holder was punctilious about a procedure that just happened to protect Brown’s reputation.

Robbery

In Ferguson, African-Americans are acting like Africans rather than Americans. Presumptions of innocence, rules of evidence, and deliberative justice are about as rare on the street as they are south of the Sahara. Africa is notorious for mob justice. Alleged thieves are often beaten to death on the spot. Witch-burning is so common, you can now see it on YouTube. UNICEF reports that more Africans than ever believe in witchcraft.

In Africa, hit-and-run is a safety measure; if you stop to help, the crowd is likely to kill you. That nearly happened right here in America when Steve Utash, who was driving through Detroit, stopped to help a child who had jumped in front of his car, and was very nearly murdered by a black crowd. This was not ruled a hate crime–it’s just what blacks do, apparently.

Is there any doubt what would happen to Officer Darren Wilson if the blacks on the streets of Ferguson got their hands on him? We have riots and blood lust rather than orderly procedure because we have Africa in our midst.

Another reason we have riots is because whites refuse to understand that we have Africa in our midst. The official view is that the Ferguson rioters might as well be white people, except that they’re victims of society. Our rulers tell us that looting and arson are regrettable but understandable expressions of legitimate black rage.

Police Shooting Missouri

In one of the many insights in Michael Levin’s classic, Why Race Matters, he writes that most whites don’t realize what drives so much black anger: hysteria, delusions, envy, and just plain hatred. Whites see furious blacks, and assume they could not possibly be so angry unless they had legitimate grievances. That is why the media lard their coverage of the riots with hand-wringing over bad schools and downtrodden neighborhoods, and 60- and 70-year-old tales of white racism.

The wilder blacks get, the sillier whites get. The attorney general of the state of Missouri, Chris Koster, went to St. Mark Family Church in Ferguson to tell its black congregation that he had come to “pray and grieve” with them. “You have lost a member of your community at the hands of a member of my community,” he said. “Not just the Caucasian community, but the law enforcement community. And that is painful to every good-hearted person in this city.”
Chris Koster

Chris Koster

Mr. Koster is a lawyer who understands the presumption of innocence and the hazards of police work. Surely, he would never have resorted to this sort of mush if there had not been a week of rioting.

Whites will never understand anything until they realize that blacks are different, that they bring their misery upon themselves, and that blaming whites and making excuses only makes blacks angrier and more reckless.

But it is Captain Ronald Johnson of the Missouri State Highway Patrol who takes the prize for idiotic comments. He is the black officer who was rolled out to bring calm when it seemed whites couldn’t do the job. He can’t seem to decide whether he is a policeman or Al Sharpton.

In a church packed with blacks, and in what the New York Times called “the cadences of a preacher,” he said: “My heart goes out to you, and I say that I’m sorry. I wear this uniform, and I should stand up here and say that I’m sorry.” At a service for Michael Brown in a different church, he said we should all be thankful to the young man’s family because Brown’s death will “make it better for our sons so they can be better black men.”

But this admiring account of him mixing with the protesters best captures the insanity:

‘We should be able to walk the streets, we should be able to go to the store without being shot in cold blood,’ shouted the woman, one of hundreds protesting the police slaying of teenager Michael Brown. ‘We don’t feel safe in these streets. Never. Ever. Report that. Tell that. Don’t go around sugar-coating things to the media.’ . . .

‘I couldn’t have said it better,’ the tall, charismatic African-American conceded.

A black woman blurts out the African-style nonsense blacks believe: that Michael Brown was “shot in cold blood.” A black police officer agrees, and a white journalist admires his charisma. Sanity is a distant dream.

Fortunately, after days of mayhem, we are finally getting a few realistic reports on the rioters. The Washington Post notes that some have come from as far away as Chicago, Detroit, and Brooklyn:

DeAndre Smith, fresh from looting the QuikTrip on a recent night, told reporters: ‘I’m proud of us. We deserve this, and this is what’s supposed to happen when there’s injustice in your community.’

“We are jobless men, and this is our job now: getting justice,” says another man. “If that means violence, that’s okay by me. They’ve been doing this to us for years.” A Ferguson policeman who noted all the out-of-towners called it “looting tourism.”

Clearly, Michael Brown has become an excuse, not just to go looting but to chant “Time to kill a cop” at the police, throw bottles of urine at them, set off Molotov cocktails, and maybe even get a few seconds of TV time. “If it wasn’t for the looting,” said one man, “we wouldn’t get the attention.”

Besides the businesses that have been burned down or stripped clean, businesses in the area, including medical practices, have seen hardly any customers for a week. At least one shop, the Yolo! Boutique, has put up a sign “black owned,” in open recognition of who’s doing the looting. Schools that were supposed to open have remained closed.

Boutique

But let us return to what this means for our institutions. The Ferguson police already broke procedure when it released the robbery video. It was a small point, but it was a sacrifice to Africa in our midst. There will be more. A grand jury is supposed to consider the evidence without regard to politics or public opinion. No matter what case the prosecutor presents–even if it is the weakest the grand jury has ever seen–does anyone in America think the jurors have the courage to refuse to indict? The rabble in Ferguson have already corrupted one hard-won achievement of Western common law.

And when the case goes to trial, what juror will not recall the 50 deaths that followed the acquittal of the police who beat Rodney King? What juror will not recall the insults heaped on the jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman? It will do no good to move the trial to a different jurisdiction. Officer Darren Wilson will not get a fair trial unless it takes place on the moon. This is another sacrifice to Africa.

In the long term, as Africa and other parts of the Third World expand in our midst, it will become harder and harder for any of our basic European institutions to function. We are slipping back towards corruption and the rule of brute power. Africa may always be in our midst, but unless our rulers understand what that means, many Fergusons are in our future.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Prime Minister Fofana reported that the aid mission included "local administrators, two medical officers, a preacher and three accompanying journalists." They were reportedly attacked by a large crowd, throwing stones, from the village of Wome.

My answer? I would let people there know that three visitors would meet them in the center of town in three days at precisely 6 pm to discuss their anger and fears.

At 6pm I would drop 3 large firebombs on that village and napalm the the area. Then I would have a fly over dropping leaflets: Thank you for attending the meeting. We heard your voice and we know you heard ours.
 

Bob1313

Membership Revoked
Whites will never understand anything until they realize that blacks are different, that they bring their misery upon themselves, and that blaming whites and making excuses only makes blacks angrier and more reckless.

This one sums up black behavior in a nutshell and white's need to understand the complete dysfunction that is blacks, they are different do to low IQ, lack of impulse control and lack of future time orientation. Most blacks are not like whites and will never be capable of being like whites, regardless of how hard people try, the sooner most understand this the safer they will be.

In the long term, as Africa and other parts of the Third World expand in our midst, it will become harder and harder for any of our basic European institutions to function. We are slipping back towards corruption and the rule of brute power. Africa may always be in our midst, but unless our rulers understand what that means, many Fergusons are in our future.

Sadly we're seeing the beginnings of this now, I shudder thinking of the future for white children if nothing changes.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I can't see how comparing things going on with African-Americans in the United States (pro or con) has very much to do with how a group of terrified and uneducated villages in the back-of-beyond Africa acting in this situation.

My hunch is that this is a risk that doctors and officials are going to face ANYWHERE, in the back country of any nation in the midst of a terrifying pandemic; not matter the race of the individuals in question.

The mistake made on the part of the local (and probably Western Trained or at least Urbanized hospital administrators) was to expect terrified and uneducated people to act what they would think of as a calm and reasonable manor. Instead, at least some of the locals saw them as the threat and killed them, probably hoping the whole thing would go away and/or that any disease (or bad magic) that might be traveling with them, would now go away.

Not only does this terribly tragic event mean that eight families are without someone they love and at least one five year old may be orphaned in the jungle somewhere; it means that it is going to be virtually impossible to persuade civilian medical staff to even attempt to enter these areas for educated on treatment - and I don't blame them one bit, I would not go either.

However, this is just going to help insure that the disease spreads like wildfire even faster than it is already; sending in the US military is only likely to get troops ill or themselves attacked by terrified and sick civilians who they then have to fire upon adding to the death toll.

I don't see any really good or easy solutions here, this isn't an epidemic like polio where medical staff can easily protect themselves from most exposure and they can bring Navy hospital ships in to treat the children and teenagers; or even bombing victims of combat who need critical care they own country can not provide.

But race I don't think has a thing to do with this, and I am saddened to think that we may soon find out just how little it matters if this mystery disease in Venezuela turns out to be Ebola or a similar type of virus that proves easy to spread in slum conditions and almost impossible to treat.

Once people become terrified enough, they will bite the hands that feed them and given the way some of the African governments have handled things so far, you can understand why people might believe rumors that the outsiders are not really there to "teach them" but to haul them off to a death center where they will die or something.

Given that some of the people in Liberia who broke out the quarantine center did so because they had not been fed for several days, it becomes easy to understand why even the better educated urban population may decide to have nothing to do with the established medical system or what is left of it.

But seriously, after this incident of killing EIGHT PEOPLE and trying to add a tiny child and another women to the list; no medical person in the their right mind is going to return to this area. Look for this to be repeated in rural areas anywhere in the world that this virus gets a toe hold in, especially the really wild places like the Amazon or even parts of rural India/Asia.
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Fence the country in and let them be.

Absolutely. I think God and nature continue to attempt to eradicate that continent and we keep screwing it up by sending medical aid, food and assistance. If nature were allowed to take its course- Africa wouldn't have nearly the population that it does.
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hardly does Obama think the 3000 troops will be welcomed, he is simply doing his jihadist part in killing infidels.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Don't bring stones to a gun fight...
Nope but one of the real lessons of the war in Rwanda a couple of decades ago was that if 4 million people get scared and panicked enough, they will just pick up and start walking and there is very little that can stop them. Even an atomic bomb would not likely stop all of them, unless you used a large number of bombs and then that would just scare more people until picking up their feet and walking if they feel they have nothing else left to loose.

From the UK Independent:

Eight bodies found in village latrine after attack on Guinea Ebola education team, as Sierra Leone imposes three-day curfew to stop spread of disease

The group, which comprised of local administrators, medical officers, journalists and a preacher, had been abducted by locals armed with rocks and knives in the southeast of the country.
Helena Williams Author Biography

Friday 19 September 2014

Eight bodies were found in a village latrine in rural Guinea after an attack on a team trying to educate locals of the risks on Ebola, a government spokesperson said on Thursday.

“Three of them had their throats slit,” Damantang Albert Camara told the Reuters news agency.


This latest figure differs from previous reports that the seven bodies of nine missing people had been found.

Speaking on state television late Wednesday, Guinea’s Prime Minister Mohamed Said Fofana said that the authorities had arrested six people following the incident, which took place on Tuesday.

The group, which included local administrators, medical officers, a preacher and three local radio journalists, had reportedly been abducted by residents armed with rocks and knives in the village of Wome in the southeast of the country.

Fofana said that it was regrettable that the incident occurred as the international community was mobilising to help countries struggling to contain the disease.

The news comes as Sierra Leone began a three-day curfew to try to stop the spread of the disease, with people being confined to their homes as health workers isolate new cases.

There is widespread fear, misinformation and stigma mong residents of affected countries, with reports of residents in rural villages reacting in with panic when outsiders have attempted to conduct awareness campaigns. Health clinics have also been attacked, further complicating efforts to contain the epidemic.


The highly contagious disease first emerged in Guinea in March this year.

Since then the virus has killed some 2,600 people and infected at least 5,300 people, according to the World Health Organisation (WHO), mostly in Guinea, neighbouring Sierra Leone and Libera. It has also spread to Senegal and Nigeria.

Additional reporting by Reuters and AP
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...k-on-guinea-ebola-education-team-9742880.html
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Anybody that goes to Africa to "help" with ebola shouldn't collect on life insurance.

They usually don't pay on suicide.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
NOTHING good ever comes out of west Africa.

As un-Christian as it sounds, I am more inclined toward fencing the infection in and let it run it's course. I still don't understand why the area hasn't been quarantined. Since we have no reliable "cure" or method of vaccination, to me it's just common sense.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Gang, I am once again going to refer to a story that has come down to us from the 14th century and while a story; it also happens to be a true one.

One day the people in Scotland were sitting around grouching about their latest war with the English and getting ready for the Summer Battle Season; then great news came from South of the Border that the English were suffering a great and terrible plague, they were dying like flies and obviously unable to defend themselves.

Being thus assured that God was on their side, the Scots through a great party to celebrate the victory that was soon to certainly be theirs; just as they got their armies organized and were about to invade England the Black Death crossed the Scottish border and entered Scotland.

Needless to say, no battles took place that year, at least not of the sort that either side expected; in fact the only victory one that year was by the Grim Reaper; often seen in the 14th century mind as an old women with a rake and a broom (at least in Northern Europe). Because some places she raked through people and only took some of them and in others her broom make a clean sweep; in the aftermath many were left no longer wondering which "side" God was on, but if there was in fact any God at all and if there was, how could he allow such horrors to happen?

I don't really think the germs care very much about the religion of those involved, except in the sense that certain cultures may have funeral practices such as washing the dead or kissing them goodbye; these can lead to further spreading of the disease. But from what I understand, Christian groups in Africa practice pretty much these same traditions as do Animists, that's likely because in a poor place if your family member dies you take care of washing and preparing the body within the family. That used to be done in the US until fairly recently and I discovered at a friend's funeral still happens sometimes in places like Northern Ireland.

I've also heard stories from older relatives about having to "kiss granny goodbye" a practice that is no longer popular in the West but was once pretty standard here also.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
My answer? I would let people there know that three visitors would meet them in the center of town in three days at precisely 6 pm to discuss their anger and fears.

At 6pm I would drop 3 large firebombs on that village and napalm the the area. Then I would have a fly over dropping leaflets: Thank you for attending the meeting. We heard your voice and we know you heard ours.
Exactly my sentiments, but I would then go a step further and comb the vicinity for survivors, and eliminate those also.
 
This probably isn't going to gain me any popularity votes-although I've never given an at's rass on popularity...but let me give y'all an alternative perspective. I'll preference this hunch with a "I ABHOR Uncle Sambo and all he represents". I have no use for militant blacks, whites, green's, whatevers. I will concede that there likely ARE a lot of superstitious residents in these areas....but wouldn't MOST of America call US and all members of these types of forums "superstitious"? And probably more names than that.

Many of these residents have voiced opinions that it was the white men who BROUGHT THIS STRAIN of Ebola to them. What if they're right? We've heard precious little about the US bio-weapons lab (partially funded by the Bill Gates "let's kill 80% of the population foundation) that was located....where? Right there in JFK hospital. WHY haven't we heard much about THAT? And is it coincidental that the lab closed about the same time this "new ebola" reared its' ugly head?

So maybe it's not exactly a case of thankless, ignorant savages biting the hand that's trying to "help" them....and more a case of acutal lab rats pissed off at the gov't that unleashed this weapon and now that their villages are wiped out, riding up on a white horse offering "compassionate aid".

Anyone here seriously doubt our gov would do that?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
And then what will you do when thousands or perhaps four to seven million terrified people just start walking in mass either towards the urban centers or whatever they think "away" from the threat is? I'm serious, Rwanda proved something that until then historians and social scientists simply did not thing was possible; that when terrified enough, huge masses of people simply will take flight and stopping them is pretty much impossible until the migration stalls somewhere on its own.

That's because you can only drop so many bombs, use so many guns etc or find so many soldiers willing to do this; in this case though, it would be worse than Rwanda because a huge portion of those people fleeing would be spreading the virus and if they didn't have it when the migration started they would before it was finished.

From an epidemic point of view, the alternative reaction of people fleeing the area, but instead of going en-mass in one direction like they did in Rwanda where getting "out" was the only clear mandate people understood; is a million times worse. Even 20 much less say 1,000 potentially infected people fleeing in all directions (cause even if you killed everyone in the local village the people in the next villages over are going to panic and run) will spread the virus even faster than it might have otherwise.

I know people are only half-serious, but I'm sure that some folks have coldly calculated this as an option and probably decided against it, I'm pretty sure for the same reasons that after entire families and elderly grandparents with orphans started head "El Norte" after hurricane Mitch a few years ago; it was decided to send masses of US aid to the area after Mexico said they would do nothing to stop the mass migration. This was only a few years after Rwanda and the US remembered and realized that even a nuclear bomb (if Mexico allowed it) wouldn't stop that many people if they were determined to keep walking.

With a deadly disease like this, with global pandemic possibilities I think it would be foolish not to believe that someone hasn't "war-gamed" the bombing option out and decided against it for the reasons I gave above. They might do that if they thought it would work, but unlike fiction where you have a tiny rural town in the US mountains somewhere to isolate and destroy; in this case it would probably just make the situation worse.

What may happen, and it won't surprise me at all, is if the three day lock down totally fails (which it probably will); and the threat continues to grow, may be an official quarantine of West Africa etal for up to several months until this thing burns itself out. Enforcing that probably would take a military lock down, though getting anything like that to actually work in a part of the world where money buys you anything would be problematic. Especially in a part of the world riddled with back trails and park lands, where securing every border loophole is simply impossible.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hardly does Obama think the 3000 troops will be welcomed, he is simply doing his jihadist part in killing infidels.

Will our troops be armed? I doubt our gov will allow them to carry so they will become targets too.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
But seriously, after this incident of killing EIGHT PEOPLE and trying to add a tiny child and another women to the list; no medical person in the their right mind is going to return to this area. Look for this to be repeated in rural areas anywhere in the world that this virus gets a toe hold in, especially the really wild places like the Amazon or even parts of rural India/Asia.

The answer is that the leadership of these countries has got to be seriously challenged, if they can't provide security for workers via armed guard if necessary then it should be told in no uncertain terms that no help will be provided
superstition leading to murder will have to be overridden by security provided by the locals
this has to be forcibly communicated to the politicians

there is no excuse for this kind of barbarism, the reasons for which should be researched by the organisations responsible for the aid, to ensure that their workers are not exposed to this in the future, they have an obligation to protect their own workers
 
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BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
Well... I'm afraid some of these areas are going to have to disease-out before they're safe again. The end game here is going to be the West locking down flights or migrations from their and treating cases here very carefully. the west DOES have the ability to lock this down, once its known... maybe.. 30% chance. Unfortunately, do to stigma and violence and population #s over there, this will hit tipping point in many places and we could see some very devastating population drop and 'refugees' from this area and that spread the disease like a horse drawn hay wagon on fire..

Surprised the US or ANY western country is still taking flights... dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
 

mala

Contributing Member
So maybe it's not exactly a case of thankless, ignorant savages biting the hand that's trying to "help" them....and more a case of acutal lab rats pissed off at the gov't that unleashed this weapon and now that their villages are wiped out, riding up on a white horse offering "compassionate aid".

Anyone here seriously doubt our gov would do that?

This. <sarcasm on> Because in all of Africa's history, the white man has been soooo very kind and caring. Why not trust them? <sarcasm off>

Truth is, if it weren't for the fear that ebola would become endemic and we couldn't get at their resources, our governments would barricade them.

And another thing. Do you really think if ebola were raging through your home state you would trust any gov't official that showed up? Hmm?

People are people. Period.
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
This is an excellent thread.

The following two European men are probably two of the best at describing most Africans.

From my perspective, Africa is in the same place now, that it has always been. It matters not
where Africans live, they bring their jungle culture with them. Just look at what has happened
to South Africa in the past 20 years. It was once a 1st world country, and now its a 3rd world
hellhole. Look at the cities in the USA, Detroit a prime example, also turning into a 3rd world
hellhole.

I read an article not long ago that stated that all the other races have advanced, and the African
race did not. Its a clash of cultures, 1st world vs 3rd world.


Abraham Lincoln on Blacks

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.

And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."


Dr. Albert Schweitzer on Blacks

“I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all White men who have lived here like I have must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the mental or emotional abilities to equate or share equally with White men in any functions of our civilization.

I have given my life to try to bring unto them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: White the superior, and they the inferior. For whenever a White man seeks to live among them as their equals, they will destroy and devour him, and they will destroy all his work.

And so for any existing relationship or any benefit to this people, let White men, from anywhere in the world, who would come to help Africa, remember that you must maintain this status: you the master and they the inferior, like children whom you would help or teach.

Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you.

They will destroy you.”

Regards to all,
Nowski
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
This is confirmation the social collapse phase of the Ebola West African epidemic is gaining steam. I doubt any health workers are going to go into the rural areas after this.

This means that six months from now, when they do finally go in, they will find piles of bones in the abandoned villages.
 

Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They should just let them all die out. We have plenty of American Africans we can use to repopulate.....
 

Ledel

Senior Member
I can't see how comparing things going on with African-Americans in the United States (pro or con) has very much to do with how a group of terrified and uneducated villages in the back-of-beyond Africa acting in this situation.

My hunch is that this is a risk that doctors and officials are going to face ANYWHERE, in the back country of any nation in the midst of a terrifying pandemic; not matter the race of the individuals in question.

The mistake made on the part of the local (and probably Western Trained or at least Urbanized hospital administrators) was to expect terrified and uneducated people to act what they would think of as a calm and reasonable manor. Instead, at least some of the locals saw them as the threat and killed them, probably hoping the whole thing would go away and/or that any disease (or bad magic) that might be traveling with them, would now go away.

Not only does this terribly tragic event mean that eight families are without someone they love and at least one five year old may be orphaned in the jungle somewhere; it means that it is going to be virtually impossible to persuade civilian medical staff to even attempt to enter these areas for educated on treatment - and I don't blame them one bit, I would not go either.

However, this is just going to help insure that the disease spreads like wildfire even faster than it is already; sending in the US military is only likely to get troops ill or themselves attacked by terrified and sick civilians who they then have to fire upon adding to the death toll.

I don't see any really good or easy solutions here, this isn't an epidemic like polio where medical staff can easily protect themselves from most exposure and they can bring Navy hospital ships in to treat the children and teenagers; or even bombing victims of combat who need critical care they own country can not provide.

But race I don't think has a thing to do with this, and I am saddened to think that we may soon find out just how little it matters if this mystery disease in Venezuela turns out to be Ebola or a similar type of virus that proves easy to spread in slum conditions and almost impossible to treat.

Once people become terrified enough, they will bite the hands that feed them and given the way some of the African governments have handled things so far, you can understand why people might believe rumors that the outsiders are not really there to "teach them" but to haul them off to a death center where they will die or something.

Given that some of the people in Liberia who broke out the quarantine center did so because they had not been fed for several days, it becomes easy to understand why even the better educated urban population may decide to have nothing to do with the established medical system or what is left of it.

But seriously, after this incident of killing EIGHT PEOPLE and trying to add a tiny child and another women to the list; no medical person in the their right mind is going to return to this area. Look for this to be repeated in rural areas anywhere in the world that this virus gets a toe hold in, especially the really wild places like the Amazon or even parts of rural India/Asia.

Thank you! Voice of reason
 

bassaholic

Veteran Member
Interesting how locals think those spraying to kill the virus are actually spreading it.

Perhaps they know something we don't.
 
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