Celestial Astronomers scout metal-rich asteroid thought to be worth 10,000 quadrillion dollars

Housecarl

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Astronomers scout metal-rich asteroid thought to be worth 10,000 quadrillion dollars
Its astronomical value is another reason why we should invest more in space.



Tibi Puiu
by Tibi Puiu

October 29, 2020

in News, Space








Most asteroids are made of plain rock or ice — but not ’16 Psyche’.
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Representation of the Psyche asteroid. Image credits: Arizona State University.

According to recent observations perform using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope, the chunky asteroid from the solar system’s main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter is mostly made of nickel and iron. This makes it an extremely atypical asteroid and a very valuable one — it’s worth as much as $10,000 quadrillion in raw resources by some estimates, or almost 70,000 times the value of the global economy in 2019.

Billionaires: ‘hold my beer’
Psyche spans 140 miles (225 km) in diameter, making it one of the largest objects in the main asteroid belt. In fact, Psyche is so large it was easily discovered using 19th-century technology in 1852.

The novelty is that now scientists have reported in The Planetary Science Journal the asteroid’s composition.

Scientists previously had some hints that Psyche is a dense, largely metallic object. This assumption has now been confirmed thanks to observations at two specific points in the asteroid’s rotation that offered a view of both sides of Psyche at ultraviolet wavelengths.

For the first time, astronomers have recorded iron oxide ultraviolet absorption bands in any asteroid. This is a clear indication that oxidation is occurring on the surface of the asteroid. Its high density suggests that the oxidated metals are nickel and iron. In fact, the entire asteroid might be the leftover core of a failed planet that never succeeded in forming into one.


“We’ve seen meteorites that are mostly metal, but Psyche could be unique in that it might be an asteroid that is totally made of iron and nickel,” Dr. Tracy Becker, Southwest Research Institute planetary scientist and co-author of the new study, said in a statement. “Earth has a metal core, a mantle and crust. It’s possible that as a Psyche protoplanet was forming, it was struck by another object in our solar system and lost its mantle and crust.”

The oxidation is believed to be caused by the solar wind. This flow of charged particles from the sun’s corona is responsible for the beautiful tails of comets, the formation of auroras in Earth’s atmosphere, and, in this case, the space weathering of Psyche.


Such metal asteroids are extremely rare, which is why Psyche was shortlisted in 2017 for a mission to study it closely using a spacecraft. The mission, which will be operated by NASA, is slated for a 2022 launch on a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket. The unmanned spacecraft would become the first to visit a body almost entirely made of metal, learning more about the asteroid as well as the solar system.


Since Psyche is believed to be as old as the solar system itself, findings from the mission could enrich our understanding of how planets form. Besides the scientific value of the mission, if you take into account the size of the asteroid and its metal composition, its total economic value could add up to $10,000 quadrillion, or $10 million trillion. That’s quite the incentive to visit the asteroid — provided, of course, we one day develop the technology to mine and retrieve metals from such asteroids.


“To understand what really makes up a planet and to potentially see the inside of a planet is fascinating,” Becker said.
“Once we get to Psyche, we’re really going to understand if that’s the case, even if it doesn’t turn out as we expect … any time there’s a surprise, it’s always exciting,” he added.
 

jward

passin' thru
it’s worth as much as $10,000 quadrillion in raw resources by some estimates, or almost 70,000 times the value of the global economy in 2019.

And would only take what, 11,000 quadrillion to recover?

She's lovely, but for the foreseeable future probably far more valuable as a dream of pirate's booty ala interstellar style, to motivate youngins to find their way there.
Or, as the principle of taking the journey to become whole via a lover, only to learn it is one's own self that must be brought into the light, seen, accepted and integrated before any true contact with an actual other becomes possible, as suggested in an astrological context.
Or even left in the land of myth and archetype.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We have no technology that can move a 140 mile diameter asteroid, so it would be entirely round trips to recover anything. Or perhaps robotic mining equipment and a linear accelerator to send regular loads to Earth … and be very, very careful about those trajectories! Remember also that the orbits of the Earth and the asteroid probably don't match up all that often, so it probably wouldn't be a steady stream of metal coming our way in any case. And there is absolutely no point of on-site fabrication of anything for quite some time to come since stops in the Main Belt are way the hell out of the way of any foreseeable interplanetary missions.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
We have no technology that can move a 140 mile diameter asteroid, so it would be entirely round trips to recover anything. Or perhaps robotic mining equipment and a linear accelerator to send regular loads to Earth … and be very, very careful about those trajectories! Remember also that the orbits of the Earth and the asteroid probably don't match up all that often, so it probably wouldn't be a steady stream of metal coming our way in any case. And there is absolutely no point of on-site fabrication of anything for quite some time to come since stops in the Main Belt are way the hell out of the way of any foreseeable interplanetary missions.

Actually we do have the "tech", Apollo tech would be enough, but the "why" isn't there at the moment. Our focus on such things right now should be with regards to close approach asteroids....
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Actually we do have the "tech", Apollo tech would be enough, but the "why" isn't there at the moment. Our focus on such things right now should be with regards to close approach asteroids....

If you assume the asteroid is a cube (which of course it isn't, but the math and visualization is simple), then a 140 mile wide asteroid is 2,744,000 cubic miles in volume. If the story is to be believed it's virtually solid metal, and I can't even begin to imagine how heavy the thing would be ("quadrillions" might easily be the tonnage description). Tell me again how Apollo-era tech can move it to somewhere useful (like Earth orbit).
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
If you assume the asteroid is a cube (which of course it isn't, but the math and visualization is simple), then a 140 mile wide asteroid is 2,744,000 cubic miles in volume. If the story is to be believed it's virtually solid metal, and I can't even begin to imagine how heavy the thing would be ("quadrillions" might easily be the tonnage description). Tell me again how Apollo-era tech can move it to somewhere useful (like Earth orbit).

If you speed it up or slow it down a m/s at the right time, you can change the orbit with or without gravity assistance. Good old orbital mechanics. The trick would be getting the "means" of changing the asteroid's delta V to it. That in of itself is Apollo level tech. The means itself, such as a or several NERVA and the propellant for them, or a bunch of "charges" is Apollo era tech.
 

BornFree

Came This Far
If you assume the asteroid is a cube (which of course it isn't, but the math and visualization is simple), then a 140 mile wide asteroid is 2,744,000 cubic miles in volume. If the story is to be believed it's virtually solid metal, and I can't even begin to imagine how heavy the thing would be ("quadrillions" might easily be the tonnage description). Tell me again how Apollo-era tech can move it to somewhere useful (like Earth orbit).
I believe that it is weightless up there. As long as stays out of any gravity field then I would think it could be moved around just by pushing it around a bit. I assume it is almost stationary right now?
 

tanstaafl

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I believe that it is weightless up there. As long as stays out of any gravity field then I would think it could be moved around just by pushing it around a bit. I assume it is almost stationary right now?

Weightless but not momentum-less. There is a huge difference and it's fundamental to orbital mechanics. It's a basic obstacle for astronauts working in space and it's why they generally come in exhausted from practically every EVA. It's a lot harder and more complicated to move stuff around than you'd think, and the more mass an object has the harder it is to move it and then stop it precisely where you want it. I'm fairly sure that attaching pretty much anything we can reasonably build (theory and speculation is something else) to something that big and that heavy would be like attaching a flea to the hull of a ten mile long Queen Mary, having it beat its wings like crazy, and expect the ship to arrive at a different port on a different continent. Nothing in the Solar System is stationary. Even the Sun wobbles around a bit and the Solar System itself is in motion inside the Milky Way (for that matter, the Milky Way is also in motion). So the asteroid in question is almost certainly orbiting the Sun along with the rest of the Main Asteroid Belt and we'd have to change the orbit using a hell of a lot of energy to move it to any place useful.

I'm willing to listen to different thoughts on the idea since I accept that I can always be wrong. Maybe after we've had experience moving a few hundred other much smaller asteroids we could consider the job, but I don't think we could do it now or any time in the next 50 years. And that's assuming they don't gut the space program and aerospace R&D in the meantime.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
If you assume the asteroid is a cube (which of course it isn't, but the math and visualization is simple), then a 140 mile wide asteroid is 2,744,000 cubic miles in volume. If the story is to be believed it's virtually solid metal, and I can't even begin to imagine how heavy the thing would be ("quadrillions" might easily be the tonnage description). Tell me again how Apollo-era tech can move it to somewhere useful (like Earth orbit).
Ion drive (can provide thrust for many years) very expertly applied + patience would seem the answer. Alternatively, Project Orion.
 

tanstaafl

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Ion drive (can provide thrust for many years) very expertly applied + patience would seem the answer. Alternatively, Project Orion.

It would have to be an enormous ion drive. We've built spacecraft that have used the ion drive technology, but they're all relatively tiny affairs. Anything less than enormous would mean the change in orbit of the asteroid would be so small that getting it to anyplace useful would be measured in centuries and even thousands of years. And, of course, once you change the orbit you still have to stop it where you want it at the other end, which would be another enormous expenditure of energy. Keep in mind that all the spacecraft that use a planet for an orbital assist actually rob the planet of a very small (relatively speaking) amount of energy. Small but apparently it can be measured with today's instruments. Look up details on some of the missions that have used the Earth itself as an orbital assist. There are no free rides.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
We have no technology that can move a 140 mile diameter asteroid, so it would be entirely round trips to recover anything. Or perhaps robotic mining equipment and a linear accelerator to send regular loads to Earth … and be very, very careful about those trajectories! Remember also that the orbits of the Earth and the asteroid probably don't match up all that often, so it probably wouldn't be a steady stream of metal coming our way in any case. And there is absolutely no point of on-site fabrication of anything for quite some time to come since stops in the Main Belt are way the hell out of the way of any foreseeable interplanetary missions.

Store it on the moon.
 

DFENZ

Contributing Member
If the thing ever did somehow end up on the earth -spoiler alert; it won't-, it would be about as worthless as could possibly be. It's a supply and demand thing. So worthless in fact, they would probably try paving streets with the stuff. And gold never really appealed to me as being a particularly good paving material anyway.
 

West

Senior
Simply use a giant magnet.

We should have many resources already on the moon. But we don't even have that after 50 plus years. No way are we going to get any kind of space ship and use a magnetic tractor beam on this thing to tow it to the the moon. But that would make the most sense to me.

We will not have the ability to mine this rock ever the way we have been going in the last 50 years of doing practically nothing.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Simply use a giant magnet.

You have to get pretty damn close to use a magnet, and you'd still have to expend massive, massive amounts of energy to change the asteroid's orbit (both starting it towards Earth and then again stopping it near Earth). For those who think this should all be very straightforward and simple, let's use an example closer to home and imagine trying to tow a 140 mile wide iceberg to where you want it. And that's without the added difficulties of doing it a few tens of millions of miles from home (more if you're operating on the other side of the Sun, which you'd almost certainly have to do at some point) in an environment way more hostile than the poles.
 

West

Senior
You have to get pretty damn close to use a magnet, and you'd still have to expend massive, massive amounts of energy to change the asteroid's orbit (both starting it towards Earth and then again stopping it near Earth). For those who think this should all be very straightforward and simple, let's use an example closer to home and imagine trying to tow a 140 mile wide iceberg to where you want it. And that's without the added difficulties of doing it a few tens of millions of miles from home (more if you're operating on the other side of the Sun, which you'd almost certainly have to do at some point) in an environment way more hostile than the poles.
Your right of course or not IDK.

But ACME has huge magnets for sale cheap!

:D
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You can nudge the asteroid with relatively small thrusters and very, very, very slowly change its orbit. Although by doing it that way I imagine it would take very possibly centuries to get something that big into Earth space, and I don't think anyone alive today would be satisfied with that long a timeframe. Heck, I suspect there's a fair chance the country or government (or in libertarian dreams, a private corporation) that begins such a long-term program wouldn't even be around by the time the asteroid gets here.
 

Blue 5

Veteran Member
Cut it into manageable chunks with industrial lasers. Makes the mass easier to move. Steer the chunks either into Martian or lunar orbits where smelters can be built. Then someone can finally build the USS Enterprise I've always wanted to see...:spns:
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Cut it into manageable chunks with industrial lasers. Makes the mass easier to move. Steer the chunks either into Martian or lunar orbits where smelters can be built. Then someone can finally build the USS Enterprise I've always wanted to see...:spns:

Wow ... your industrial lasers can cut through almost 100 miles (and that's the small dimension) of metal and rock? I'm impressed!
 
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