PREP Are you ready for winter???

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've seen quite a few predictions for an especially hard winter this year, but predicting the weather has always been a very inexact science. Nonetheless, we are trying to get even better-prepped than we usually are.

Some of you are already dealing with early winter now, but here in southern Mississippi at the Doc1 Homestead we're still using at least one of our window ACs on most afternoons. Most of you will recall the Texas power outage and deep freeze last year. Millions of people were affected and a lot of them suffered both physical damage to their homes as well as discomfort. If memory serves, more than a few actually died. I believe that it's critical not to only rely on one source of heat! A lot of people who rely solely on central air and heating systems are in a terrible position during winter power outages, or even if their system malfunctions. Heating redundancies are essential.

I'll go over most of our heating preps and would like to hear yours. Maybe this will jog some folk's memories and prompt them to put in more cold weather preps.

a.) Wood heat: We have a large, Chinese boxwood stove and this year, through a series of fortunate events, now have more firewood than we've ever started the winter with.

b.) Propane heat: We have a large, wall-mounted propane heater served by outdoor tanks, but we also have a number of twin mantle propane lanterns which hang from custom shepherd's hooks that I welded and fabricated myself. These clamp on to standard five gallon propane tanks and help to provide portable emergency lighting and heating. Propane lanterns produce a fantastic amount of heat. We also have (two) two burner propane camping stoves which could do indoor duty if required. We haven't needed them inside the house yet, but they are ready if needed.

c.) Kerosene and diesel heat: I have several Petromax, pressurized kerosene lanterns which can use kero, diesel or even mineral spirits. These also put out trememdous amounts of heat and light and their operating temperature is so high that they produce very, very little carbon monoxide. The Petromaxes stink to high heavens when lit or extinguished, but once they are up to operating temperature, are virtually odorless.

d.) Candles: We have many boxes of assorted candles (and candle holders) that we collect throughout the year at thrift stores and yard sales. While adding a bit of cheery ambience to the house on cold nights, they also produce a significant amount of heat!

e.) Electric space heaters: We have quite a few electric space heaters that we've collected over the years. These are placed wherever needed and can even be powered by our generators if we so desire.

That pretty much covers our heating arrangements. What are any of you doing?

Best
Doc
 

parsonswife

Veteran Member
almost ready too. Oregon can be rainy but we rarely get snow at our house (We will see how GSM does here)
Clothes ok, Blankets sleeping bags all ok
Candles Oil lamps lighting ok, LED Striplights powered by battery or solar

Heat: new pellet stove/4 pallets of pellets with solar backup for auger/fan. (couldnt convince DH to get a wood stove)
Propane: enough to keep refriq going till we process/Can it all up.
Kerosene: enough to run missionary stove for canning/cooking.
Electric space heater if we still have power
Rocket stove if worst happens
 

Cag3db1rd

Paranoid Pagan
I know a lot of you have poo-pooed the flower pot heaters, but hear me out. The candles only put out so much heat. This is true. The flower pot takes that heat and radiates it instead of all of it going straight up. I have used them, and I know that they will take the chill off a small room. If there is no better option, it is something.

Added a few more blankets to the pile. I got my wood stove out and started pestering hubby to finally install it. I have been hitting up the green waste dump to collect free firewood. Also trying to get ahead of buying warm clothes for the kids. I topped 1k tea lights, so, started buying boxes of votives. Already have 2 5gal buckets of fire starters prepared, and a shoe box of Bic lighters. I need to take inventory of the boxes of candles I have stashed under my bed. I think I will be okay, though.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I know a lot of you have poo-pooed the flower pot heaters, but hear me out. The candles only put out so much heat. This is true. The flower pot takes that heat and radiates it instead of all of it going straight up. I have used them, and I know that they will take the chill off a small room. If there is no better option, it is something.

Added a few more blankets to the pile. I got my wood stove out and started pestering hubby to finally install it. I have been hitting up the green waste dump to collect free firewood. Also trying to get ahead of buying warm clothes for the kids. I topped 1k tea lights, so, started buying boxes of votives. Already have 2 5gal buckets of fire starters prepared, and a shoe box of Bic lighters. I need to take inventory of the boxes of candles I have stashed under my bed. I think I will be okay, though.

Hand warmers, kidney warmers, and foot warmers. This if the house has no heat... and then there are ancient ways. Not sexy, but very doable.
 

SageRock

Veteran Member
Three energy sources in use here: wood, propane, and solar electric (22 kW). Grid is our alternate electric, generator is contingent. Several years worth of wood stored and ready to use (lots of juniper trees on property). Wood stove is the go-to heat source on cloudy/snowy days or if especially cold. Solar-powered baseboard heat is useful on sunny, cold days. Propane furnace is used sparingly as backup when needed.

Flannel sheets and extra blankets are ready to go when it gets a bit colder. Inventory of hats, gloves and jackets looks good. Wood carriers out of storage and in use now.

A couple exotic systems in use here, due to BF skills in networking and programming. The wood stove has a lever to adjust air flow as well as a fan -- originally manual, now both controlled by a raspberry pi, with a servo motor on the lever. Display shows pipe sensor temperature, stove sensor temperature, current room temperature, lever position, and the control program settings.

Baseboard heat controlled through a system that prevents use when battery is below 75-80%. When battery is doing well, baseboard heat can be maxed out to the desired temperature setting, and can also manually place individual baseboard heaters to run for a specified number of hours. Similar setup also to run the hot water system. Baseboard heaters can be set to various priorities as well. The interface for the system is through a tablet. When there's lots of power, it's basically turn-key.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
for candles, dont forget the good will and other places like that, you can find all kinds of candles that have been burned for 15 minutes, then thrown out, always a whole shelf of those glass tall relegious ones, and if you ask, they will save you a sack of plain candles, and broken crayons, use the crayons to color the candles you make,
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
When it comes down to the last resort... no more wood, no more propane, no electricity

-20 F to -60 F sleeping bags will save lives!
Wiggy's Sporting Goods

Definitely.

One of my favorite prep items (ours are Cabela’s). Gotta be the Winter bags, though. Most bags out there aren’t.

In the tent….with the candles…dreaming about Miss Scarlet, or for those who are pronoun-confused, perhaps Colonel Mustard. :shkr:
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
Oil and LP all topped off.
More winter clothing and accessory items than carters has liver pills.
Hand warmers, candles, battery lanterns, flashlights all ready, new supply of batteries arrived last week. Kero heaters for backup in good order and cans topped off.

Generators are serviced, running well. All gas is stabilized but still gets rotated. Extra cans of carb cleaner, spark plugs, oil .

( IMPORTANT: If gas with ethanol is stored for more than 3 months and NOT stabilized it should not be used in small engines like generators )

Everyone who has central heating systems should be servicing their systems or have them serviced by qualified people before they are needed, get extra filters if available or clean what you have.

Caulk, weather-strip, seal what needs to be sealed.

As the weather gets colder remember to practice with your boomsticks with heavy clothing as it changes shouldering and aim as well as trigger discipline.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
Our situation is similar to yours:
  • Central Natural Gas-fired Furnace (primary)
  • Two Wood Stoves (cord wood stocked modestly: 2 cords / 2 more planned)
  • Propane heat. Several 30K BTU portable heaters and a number of 20/30/100 Lb tanks that can be deployed quickly
  • Kerosene. Several 10K and two 25K BTU Kerosene heaters and 130 gallons of Kerosene. Plenty of spare wicks.
  • Four of the Petromax pressurized kerosene lanterns. Huge amounts of light and heat. Very efficient. I'm scared to use them indoors, though. Definitely never start, restart or refill one of these indoors. Thank you for the tip re low Carbon Monoxide.
  • Electric Space Heaters (4) [Solar power backup, though grossly inefficient for this type of heat]
  • Electric Blankets: Puts the heat right where needed at night.
  • Electric Generators: Several of varying sizes and fuel sources.
  • I also have a small assortment of Nichrome wire which can be used to make warming blankets, etc.
  • Carbon Monoxide Detectors: A must if burning fuels in living spaces.
  • Smoke Detectors: Ditto
ETA: We have a lot of glass on the south side of our home in the southwest, which cuts-down a great deal on the amount of heating needed, though it does get pretty cold in the High Desert (but not like the northern states).

ETA2: I have a small underground propane tank as a backup for my furnace. I have the equipment and know-how to rejet the furnace appropriately. I also found that there are 'Liquid Propane Transfer Kits' available that allows a person to (relatively) safely withdraw propane from these 'larger' tanks into smaller 20/30/40 lb tanks. I got mine from NashFuel (check eBay). You will have to pay attention to the actual valves on your tank to ensure that you get the right version of the kit. $200-ish. Example: Liquid Propane Transfer Unloading Kit POL Vapor Tank 7572FC 7580FC 3/4" NGT Wet | eBay
 
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Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Our situation is similar to yous:
  • Central Natural Gas-fired Furnace (primary)
  • Two Wood Stoves (cord wood stocked modestly: 2 cords / 2 more planned)
  • Propane heat. Several 30K BTU portable heaters and a number of 20/30/100 Lb tanks that can be deployed quickly
  • Kerosene. Several 10K and two 25K BTU Kerosene heaters and 130 gallons of Kerosene. Plenty of spare wicks.
  • Four of the Petromax pressurized kerosene lanterns. Huge amounts of light and heat. Very efficient. I'm scared to use them indoors, though. Definitely never start, restart or refill one of these indoors. Thank you for the tip re low Carbon Monoxide.
  • Electric Space Heaters (4) [Solar power backup, though grossly inefficient for this type of heat]
  • Electric Blankets: Puts the heat right where needed at night.
  • Electric Generators: Several of varying sizes and fuel sources.
  • I also have a small assortment of Nichrome wire which can be used to make warming blankets, etc.
  • Carbon Monoxide Detectors: A must if burning fuels in living spaces.
  • Smoke Detectors: Ditto

Don't be scared of using the Petromax lanterns indoors, as long as you have CO detectors. Petromaxes operate at such high temperatures that they produce very little CO. They're not as safe as propane for unvented, interior use, but they are pretty close. If you do use them inside, just be sure that you have one or more CO detectors in the room and don't allow them to burn when you go to sleep. They are NATO standard lanterns (note that I'm talking about genuine Petromaxes and not the profusion of Chinese copies!) and have been extensively tested for indoor heat and light production.

I've used two of them in the same room simultaneously during an extreme cold spell and only a couple of times did they cause the CO detector to barely chirp once or twice. Note that I really mean barely chirp and not actually go off.

As you correctly note, start them and shut them off outdoors. When they first start and before they get up to operating temperature, they do produce more CO. When they are shut off indoors, they stink!

Best
Doc
 
Many are not thinking power outage and most heating systems use electric and without it you not going to stay warm.
Had that here in Texas last year. Amazed at how many had burst pipes because they failed to drain existing water. Amazed at how many cannot drive with ice and complain about roads. Inside, our coldest temp got to 58 degrees but my cats realized there was a problem and climbed up on top of my covers to keep me warm. I have lived in many places so it was just another inconvenience.....
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
Don't be scared of using the Petromax lanterns indoors, as long as you have CO detectors. Petromaxes operate at such high temperatures that they produce very little CO. They're not as safe as propane for unvented, interior use, but they are pretty close. If you do use them inside, just be sure that you have one or more CO detectors in the room and don't allow them to burn when you go to sleep. They are NATO standard lanterns (note that I'm talking about genuine Petromaxes and not the profusion of Chinese copies!) and have been extensively tested for indoor heat and light production.

I've used two of them in the same room simultaneously during an extreme cold spell and only a couple of times did they cause the CO detector to barely chirp once or twice. Note that I really mean barely chirp and not actually go off.

As you correctly note, start them and shut them off outdoors. When they first start and before they get up to operating temperature, they do produce more CO. When they are shut off indoors, they stink!

Best
Doc
Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge! I'll print a copy of this and keep it with my lanterns.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
A) 3 tons of coal
B) ventless propane
C) kerosene heaters
D) wood (the outdoor coalstove can only use wood to start coal combustion :rolleyes:. EPA rule)

We're about 2000' asl. Below zero Temps occur but usually moderate in a day or two.

Oh, heat pump too. Love it for a/c. Despise it for heat.
 
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Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Owner has his four cords in the shed - and the next three cords from the 4' oak tree are sitting as drums out in his processing area.

The garden is about done. October 15 is the normal first frost for this area - but so far the frost is not forthcoming and there are still some tomatoes hanging.

Rusty is due the first two weeks of December to put on my cogs - about the same time that Owner will put on his new studded snow tires. We have the same interest.

Dobbin
 

savurselvs

Veteran Member
Don't be scared of using the Petromax lanterns indoors, as long as you have CO detectors. Petromaxes operate at such high temperatures that they produce very little CO. They're not as safe as propane for unvented, interior use, but they are pretty close. If you do use them inside, just be sure that you have one or more CO detectors in the room and don't allow them to burn when you go to sleep. They are NATO standard lanterns (note that I'm talking about genuine Petromaxes and not the profusion of Chinese copies!) and have been extensively tested for indoor heat and light production.

I've used two of them in the same room simultaneously during an extreme cold spell and only a couple of times did they cause the CO detector to barely chirp once or twice. Note that I really mean barely chirp and not actually go off.

As you correctly note, start them and shut them off outdoors. When they first start and before they get up to operating temperature, they do produce more CO. When they are shut off indoors, they stink!

Best
Doc
How would one be able to find a true and not China petromax?
 

Firebird

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, here in Florida, there's not much prep for winter, we hardly get any cold. I would love to have some cooler weather, but it just doesn't really happen here too often.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Redundancies and more redundancies. The Go-bag back pack is also packed for Winter hiking. Our Go-totes have more useful stuff for the relative luxury of truck travel. We have wood, kerosene, propane, and solar. Some of it is home-made/thrifted/traded, some of it is nicer, and purchased new. We are in the middle of moving, but I am better organized than I was last year - even have a handy list of mis-placed stuff I still need to find.

More new-to-me woolens are incoming via USPS. Takes a lot of sleuthing to find the good stuff at affordable prices (maybe I should just get a job!), but the good deals in the older and better made 100% wool are still out there. I also dug out some lamb's wool and cashmere sweaters from my old office wardrobe. They needed considerable mending, and are now soft and cosy long underwear. I'm using thrift store scrap silk to bind and re-enforce the raveling cuffs. Nothing against cotton, but it kills if you get cold and wet. Synthetics are problematic around fires.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Well, here in Florida, there's not much prep for winter, we hardly get any cold. I would love to have some cooler weather, but it just doesn't really happen here too often.
Atmospheric volcanic ash. You might get your cooler temps. When the feral iguanas fall frozen out of the trees, just remember, they are edible.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Yep..except that the roofers haven't been here to get that little item out of the way. They obviously have good intentions, because the pallets of shingles were delivered here yesterday. Whew...was sweating (a bit) general availability with the supply-line problems, but all the flashings, vents, & accessory parts seem to be complete in the pile. I expect the roof will get done either end of this week or first of next.

New central furnace in the place less than a year ago. The 500 gal. propane tank is full. The propane free-standing fireplace which will easily heat the whole house if the power is out, has it's pilot lit and ready to go. Propane kitchen range and oven (pilot model) is functioning like a Prince. Fuel stashed for the kerosene heaters and lamps if needed, plenty of good old electric milk house heaters, but they normally are way-far-back backup.

Snow plow guy has been contacted and we are both on the same page.

I keep weight in the back of both pick-ups year-round..partly because the summers are short, and partly because otherwise, they are both too "light" in back without it, even on dry pavement.

Lawn furniture is put away, most of the garden and flower stuff is put away.

The old hens are half-gone...the other half going over the weekend, and the new layer chicks are doing well..haven't lost a one of the little hell-raisers. They can go out to the coop in another week or so, and should be laying by March.

As for clothes/boots, etc...given Minnesota weather...the winter stuff is never far out of reach....year-round.

Pantry and deeper - in decent shape.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
I think that one of my stoves is designed to burn coal as well as wood, but I never have. What's it like burning coal?
As a general rule, it burns much hotter. Most stoves designed for coal have "shaker grates". Movable grates to allow the "clinkers" (clumps of ash) to fall into the ash pan.

Different seams have different ash quantities. The btu's can vary.
Some people put maybe a shovel full into paper bags outside then bring bags inside to cut down on dust.
Dropping coal onto a hot woodfire would be my suggestion inside. Start small and experiment.

Expect more sulfurous smoke. Some people find it acceptable. The wimmen folk here would put ME in the stove if I tried burning it inside.
I paid 100 bucks per ton. Picked up at a very small operation.
Find someone local to you that uses it. Too many variables to be more specific.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Owner has his four cords in the shed - and the next three cords from the 4' oak tree are sitting as drums out in his processing area.

The garden is about done. October 15 is the normal first frost for this area - but so far the frost is not forthcoming and there are still some tomatoes hanging.

Rusty is due the first two weeks of December to put on my cogs - about the same time that Owner will put on his new studded snow tires. We have the same interest.

Dobbin
Dobbin, is your stall well heated ? Hope so .
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
I think that one of my stoves is designed to burn coal as well as wood, but I never have. What's it like burning coal?
Owner has talked on that. During the 1970s oil crisis, his Dad burned coal in a "Riteway" furnace.
Lessee if I can remember all he said.

Coal is difficult to start. A good wood fire is essential before you put a shovelful of coal in.
Coal will go longer between feedings.
Coal creates MORE ASH. About 20 percent of the volume of coal ends up as ash.
You need to shake down the fire and remove the ash each time you feed.
Coal ash is 90 percent silica, essentially fine sand, and it can be disposed of in your garden. Don't expect the same "neutralizing" effect from it like wood ash.
When a coal fire is "good" - it will build on itself. If the coal fire is "beyond feeding" putting more coal on will put it out.
Coal has a lot of heat for its volume. Perhaps 2x more "compact" than wood - although about the same amount of heat per weight. If you have a storage space where you stack wood, expect you can put 2x as much coal heat into the same volume.

It may depend on your area, but here in Cow Hampshire "stove coal" (anthracite) is almost unobtainium.

One imagines Pennsylvania would be different.

Dobbin
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
How would one be able to find a true and not China petromax?

Ah, now you've asked an interesting question. The original Petromax lanterns were made in Germany, prior to WWII. They were used with the Wehrmacht on the freezing Eastern Front and developed a sterling reputation in the Russian winters.

Note that the Wehrmacht frequently used these kerosene lanterns with gasoline. Neither myself or the manufacturer recommend this! When I earlier said that they are fairly safe for interior use with regards to CO production, that is when using kerosene, NOT gasoline. Additionally, unlike Coleman white gas lanterns, the Petromax's design is not safe for gasoline use. Lots of people get away with it...until they don't.

Getting back to your question, "real" European Petromax lanterns include the Petromax and the license-built versions Aida Express and Hipolito. These are all Petromaxes with 100% parts compatibility and quality. Other similar lanterns of the era, like the Optimus are fine lanterns, but are not true Petromaxes.

In the modern era there have been fights over licensing and ownership of the name. The current "real" Petromax is the BriteLyt brand, and while of excellent quality, it is made in China. Unfortunately, as you might expect, there are now several Chinese counterfeits and very similar lanterns of various quality using similar names.

I believe you could buy a modern lantern directly from BriteLyt and be safe, but, personally, I like to buy the old, original, European Petromaxes, Aidas and Hipolitos. Parts are very much available and the lanterns are sophisticated-but-simple and are easy to rebuild or just replace parts.

Hope this helps.

Best
Doc
 

Ku Commando

Inactive
......through a series of fortunate events, now have more firewood than we've ever started the winter with.


We're gonna need it doc1......from what I'm seein' here inland of Florida's Nature Coast.....I'm fo'castin' a foot of snow along w/ the icebergs rollin' in along the gulf-shores

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psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This thread makes me nervous.
I feel not so ready.

We have three trees that came down two years ago all cut up and stacked but none of it is split and I need someone to help me get it done. Hub has a bad back, works every night Sunday/Monday and can’t do it.

Also need to get both chimneys swept.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Actually not. I would be uncomfortable. Best is when I can see my breath.

Dobbin

I like the bed room cool. It’s healthier and I breath better too.

He doesn’t , said it’s cold enough to hang meat in here lol!
The struggle, is real, at my house right now.
I sneak the windows open, he comes around and shuts em.
Round and round!
He despises fall and winter, I like all of the seasons especially fall!


Fall is my jam :)
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
for candles, dont forget the good will and other places like that, you can find all kinds of candles that have been burned for 15 minutes, then thrown out, always a whole shelf of those glass tall relegious ones, and if you ask, they will save you a sack of plain candles, and broken crayons, use the crayons to color the candles you make,
Crayons will muck up the wicks in candles, too much stuff in them that doesn’t belong in candles...
 
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