SOFT NEWS Abigail Hensel, one of the siamese twins, became the wife of nurse and U.S. Army veteran Josh Bowling

packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Melodi said:
It has been noted over and over and over again that it was not physically possible to separate them. It wasn't that their parents refused; it was they refused to consign one twin to almost certain death, and it would probably kill both of them.

So please stop this nonsense about "They should have been separated." Would you intentionally murder one of your children so the other one might have a tiny chance of life, probably terribly disabled even if they lived?

Some Siamese twins can be separated. I don't know the statistics, but going from memory, it often results in one surviving twin. Sometimes, it results in two extremely disabled people. And sometimes, like the pair in Iran years ago (who had both become professional lawyers and had a pretty good life), it results in the death of both.

Things change; many Siamese twins are connected at the head, and it is very hard to determine if they share parts of their brains. On the other hand, twins connected at the top of the head, who can never stand or even sit up properly, have such a low quality of life that sometimes attempts are made to separate anyway. Today, most of the time, one or both still die, but it is seen as worth the risk in many cases.

On the other hand, today, Chang and Ang could probably be separated in a simple operation that removed the chord of skin that bound them together, provided they had separate organs in their bodies. It might be trickier if not (and we don't know).

Finally, he is marrying both ladies, at least in a practical, if not a legal, sense. Some twins who have married (female or male) different partners usually have houses or apartments next door and arrange to swap days or weeks with their partners. Chang and Ang did that with two houses next to each other.

Again, do a little study of this (I find the topic fascinating and have since childhood), and you will quickly discover that medical science has no way to remove the "extra twin," who is only a head and part of a body and shares organs with her sister. Science may be able to do that someday, but we are not there yet. So, the twins either learn to live with the situation as these two have, or you kill one of them and hope the other survives.

I wish them well. A man with two wives is the second most common version of human marriage that anthropologists have found in historical and prehistorical records.

Edited to add, the one case I know of where twins similar to this were separated (and both lived), there were mostly separate organs going all the way down, and the ones they shared could be portioned out and still be survivable for both. Each twin got one leg (if I recall correctly) and one arm. But the twins who just got married share all the "bottom stuff." We can't create an entire lower digestive tracks and other organs needed for survival yet. That may change in a few years.
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That’s an extreme conjoined scenario. There was a set in my grade in school they were joined at the hand, arm, that were separated, the one sister wore a brace on her arm, and I’m guessing it was for life.
 
Ractivist

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
May turn out that soldier is one of the luckiest men alive, and thought this thru thoroughly. He'll win the other one over. Talk about pillow talk, one in each ear. Do they each know what the others arm and hand is doing.....or are they totally separated from feeling the other sides actions. Would the hands work together, thru the same brain, or does each control the one on their side. That guy jumped into a scenario that is just short of an orgy..... or is it.

Just saying, having never thought of such a scenario.........half full. I'd say, verses half empty. A real two fer.
 
Melodi

Melodi

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As I said, some twins can be separated, and these days, whenever that is possible, it is usually done. Even Siamese twins born in the third world are often flown to significant centers like London to be treated either by charitable funds or sometimes foundations or medical schools. Because living twins are so rare, each case provides another chance for medical science to learn more in hopes of even better treatment in the future.

But it isn't uncommon (as in this case) for no good options. Especially when they were small, such surgery would probably have killed both of them. Most doctors won't operate if the prognosis is that bad. There is a potential for criminal liability even if the family agrees to the procedure. There are also the cases that tend to make the news. Twins are born with a thin strip of flesh connected by the arm (or an extra arm), and other relatively safe remedy attachments don't even make the news much anymore. The ones you hear about are the complex ones for which there are few good options or for whom radical and groundbreaking surgery is needed (like trying to make two brains out of a doubled one).

With two-headed twins (and they happen), sometimes the choice is to cut off the head of one (and murder a human being if that head is a conscious, functioning person), or both the twins and their families have to learn to live as two individuals together in the same body for life. Maybe someday we can build a body for the other one, but at the moment, there are no brain/head transplants that work, even during attempts on animals.
 
WildDaisy

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mzkitty said:
I do understand, but I could not have not tried anyway. And I wouldn't ask God to forgive me either. Some parents take on burdens that the rest of us could not. And I know, they don't think of them as burdens. I could never have done a two-headed child.

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What makes you think the parents, raising these women as children didn't spend every minute looking for ways to give the biggest chance possible to both their children, and faced with the expert medical advice you dont have access to, made their decision.

I am sure the parents didnt just say "Oh well" and move on.
 
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bluelady

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mzkitty said:
I do understand, but I could not have not tried anyway. And I wouldn't ask God to forgive me either. Some parents take on burdens that the rest of us could not. And I know, they don't think of them as burdens. I could never have done a two-headed child.

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Had this been your situation, you'd have had the strength and grace needed. We can always do more than we thought when that time actually comes.
 
Doc1

Doc1

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So, er, each intimate encounter is a threesome...or would it be a two-point-five-some? On anniversaries do you have to buy a dozen roses for both of them? If things go down the crapper, do you only have one woman screaming at you or two? In restaurants, do you make reservations for two or three? If one of the sisters commits a serious crime, how could they possibly imprison the guilty one without imprisoning the innocent one?

Lastly, if they moved to The Villages in Florida, what color loofah would they use?

Best
Doc
 
tnphil

tnphil

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Doc1 said:
So, er, each intimate encounter is a threesome...or would it be a two-point-five-some? On anniversaries do you have to buy a dozen roses for both of them? If things go down the crapper, do you only have one woman screaming at you or two? In restaurants, do you make reservations for two or three? If one of the sisters commits a serious crime, how could they possibly imprison the guilty one without imprisoning the innocent one?

Lastly, if they moved to The Villages in Florida, what color loofah would they use?

Best
Doc
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Geez... can you even imagine having two women screaming at you at one time, for the same stupid thing? 'Cuz ya know their "cycles" are synced. One set of hormone factories. :D
Misery and humiliation in stereo...
 
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summerthyme

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Dennis Olson said:
Their life story is beyond bizarre.
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Not exactly by choice, though!

Seriously, anyone who was born "normal" and healthy has *nothing* to gripe about. There are people who were so disadvantaged from birth, that they should have been trapped in an awful cycle of disability, welfare and a sterile, limited life. Yet many of them succeed beyond what most "blessed at birth" people do.

I'm so very grateful for my blessings, even though I'm fighting some sort of massive flare in Chronic Fatigue and fibromylagia. It sucks, but I still manage to exercise my mind and learn new things I'll try when my body cooperates.

As far as the twins and their marriage, I acknowledge the prurient curiosity that is natural, but mostly, I'm just grateful and happy for them. There are many comely and accomplished people who never have found a mate. I pray that they all are as happy in the future as they are now.

Summerthyme
 
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fairywell

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I feel guilty that this story disgusts me. But, it does. Over the years I have seen, I have watched, stories about these two siblings. I cannot imagine what day-to-day life must be like for them despite what they choose to share with the public for a better understanding. Now I feel guilty because I cannot imagine why this guy married her, THEM. What a strange situation. "There is someone for everyone", they say. Now I feel guilty for looking at him and thinking he is either crazy or kinky. What a complicated life for the twins, I cannot imagine trying to live like them. And at the end of the day, I am still wondering why he married the one. Weird. I do not know if I should give him cheers and celebrate or knock him upside the head for being an idiot. At the end of the day, "to each his own".
 
Squib

Squib

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Yeah, sorry, but every male on this board is thinking about the mechanics of intimacy as some have already posted…

But if the other twin gets married, then the physical sexual act in reality happens to both women…

I cant picture one woman pleasuring her husband…orally… whilst the sister is basically forced to be within…overspray distance?

Imagine if this was …never mind…I, can’t…
 
psychgirl

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I think while all of the crass speculation is ongoing from those who truly need to know the details, a little detail “may have been missed”

Has the groom ever talked about his own personal situation?

Maybe he’s not able to consummate his marriage either from a medical perspective or a personal life choice .

Perhaps the sisters specified that be present for any perspective mates.
 
DFENZ

DFENZ

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It's a fascinating story and I sincerely wish them all the best. I don't get it, but it pales in comparison to the mental gymnastics required when I try to wrap my head around the assorted 'trans' faggotry that's constantly shoved down everyone's throat.

psychgirl said:
Has the groom ever talked about his own personal situation?
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I don't know about that, but his ex might have something to say...

www.dailymail.co.uk

Conjoined twin's husband slapped with paternity suit

Abby Hansel's husband, Josh Bowling, has been hit with a paternity suit by his ex-wife, Annica Bowling, who he split with in 2019 and shares one daughter with.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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Donner9x

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It has got to be extremely difficult for the other, unmarried twin. Imagine having to share in everything that the other twin and her now husband do - not only sex, but also normal communication, arguments, etc. Even before marriage it must have always been difficult. Two minds, potentially wanting two different things at the same time. Yikes! It's got to be a difficult life, although I suppose if you grow up like that you might be more accustomed to it, but I can't imagine. Quite anxiety producing to think of being like that!
 
155 arty

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Ractivist said:
May turn out that soldier is one of the luckiest men alive, and thought this thru thoroughly. He'll win the other one over. Talk about pillow talk, one in each ear. Do they each know what the others arm and hand is doing.....or are they totally separated from feeling the other sides actions. Would the hands work together, thru the same brain, or does each control the one on their side. That guy jumped into a scenario that is just short of an orgy..... or is it.

Just saying, having never thought of such a scenario.........half full. I'd say, verses half empty. A real two fer.
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I like the way you think ...lol
 
Doc1

Doc1

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summerthyme said:
Not exactly by choice, though!

Seriously, anyone who was born "normal" and healthy has *nothing* to gripe about. There are people who were so disadvantaged from birth, that they should have been trapped in an awful cycle of disability, welfare and a sterile, limited life. Yet many of them succeed beyond what most "blessed at birth" people do.

I'm so very grateful for my blessings, even though I'm fighting some sort of massive flare in Chronic Fatigue and fibromylagia. It sucks, but I still manage to exercise my mind and learn new things I'll try when my body cooperates.

As far as the twins and their marriage, I acknowledge the prurient curiosity that is natural, but mostly, I'm just grateful and happy for them. There are many comely and accomplished people who never have found a mate. I pray that they all are as happy in the future as they are now.

Summerthyme
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Dear lady,

I'm sure that everyone on this thread is grateful for their blessings and feels sympathy and admiration for the Siamese twins.

Still, we are dealing with human nature and the natural inclination to have a bit of fun with the unusual. I'm pretty sure that the twins also have a sense of humor and can see the humorous aspects of their unique condition. They'd have to to get as far in life as they have.

Best
Doc
 
Maryh

Maryh

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I don't know if I'm happy for them or not. Could he have married one thinking that their story will make him rich and then go his merry way with his pockets full? I just cannot imagine the whole scenario!
 
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