MNKYPOX Monkeypox - Consolidated Thread.

bw

Fringe Ranger
A further thought on pain management. I know absolutely nothing about this, so hopefully one of our medical people will chime in.

I presume induced coma requires electronic monitoring, not just letting someone doze. If so, a hospital would be able to manage only a certain number of those. I mentioned this in an earlier post. I don't know what medical management workload is involved.

If you are the parent of a child with intractable pain, and the only treatment is not available because the hospital has maxed out their gear and staff, what would you do? What would you NOT do?
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Can a person not be sedated for pain without having to be placed in an induced coma? An induced coma would seem extreme to me.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Can a person not be sedated for pain without having to be placed in an induced coma? An induced coma would seem extreme to me.

Reports are that for some patients morphine is insufficient. Where do you go from there? I'm not recommending induced coma, I'm asking if that was used and might be used in the future. I'm asking what a parent would do for a child who can't stop screaming.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Reports are that for some patients morphine is insufficient. Where do you go from there? I'm not recommending induced coma, I'm asking if that was used and might be used in the future. I'm asking what a parent would do for a child who can't stop screaming.

IDK....Whatever I could, I guess.
 
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naegling62

Veteran Member
Anyway, I lost the link to the Monkey Pox table top. Does anyone know if this out break is trending like the table top?
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I do see an overwhelming correlation between where the lesions are located and the gay crowd. Mostly limited to the mouth, anus, and genitals. Others may disagree, but it's what keeps popping up over and over, and is hard to refute.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So, they're all so worried about "stigma"...



Then WHY have they spent the past two years discriminating and stigmatizing every person who chose to not take their stupid, useless vaccine?!

Summerthyme


Because it was useful to their agenda at that time.

They are nothing if not pragmatic.
 

jward

passin' thru
already our ERs get an insane # of calls, those folks aren't new to acting out in their stress, grief and pain.

..I get the point re: the potential fubar with the children, but we've sat by content to complain while they legalize, and actually give, those damn clot shots to them, and to their pregnant mothers besides, and have yet to decorate the lampposts with those who're responsible for these insane policies and proceedures rotted carcasses, so I'm not sure MP would be so different.
Then again, the scaring and vanity may be what would take this over the top.
God willing we will not find out.

I know of a few parents who would like point a gun at hospital personnel if nothing were done.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
Induced coma, requires a ventilator. Pts are placed usually either on Diprivan (what killed Michael Jackson) or Versed (like a Valium drip sort of) and then a Fentanyl drip for the pain.

Pain medications usually scale from starting with, Hydrocodone, Percocet, Morphine, Dilaudid, then Fentanyl.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
22,641 world cases

5,189 United States

49 cases in Indiana. Up from 45 today. I’m only including my state because we’ll, it’s my state lol.
And because we didn’t have that many last week. I’ve said all along Chicago will spill over to Indiana and I suspect that’s what’s happening.
Also , and this infuriates me…but our local radio guy on WIBC has done nothing but snicker and down play this from the beginning. I’m disappointed and angry after I heard today, at noon, the beginning of a piece on pox. He said “this is a money ploy for the WHO and monkeypox is a hard disease to catch”…I’m appalled at the lack of any true research or knowledge on their part.

What a total disservice to our state. He may have said more but I turned it off and doesn’t the last ten minutes of my lunch break on silence.
 
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phloydius

Veteran Member
Interesting information on the number of those infected (world wide).

  • 98.9% of cases with available data are male
  • 75 cases are under the age of 18
  • 23 cases are under the age of 5
  • 317 cases are health care workers
  • 11.4% were asymptomatic

  • 84 cases are under the age of 18
  • 24 cases are under the age of 5
  • 322 cases are health care workers
  • 8.3% were asymptomatic
 

phloydius

Veteran Member
I do see an overwhelming correlation between where the lesions are located and the gay crowd. Mostly limited to the mouth, anus, and genitals. Others may disagree, but it's what keeps popping up over and over, and is hard to refute.

In this outbreak, the symptom trackers record (as of 26 July 2022):

Rash & Lesions:
90.5% Any
70.6% Systemic (All Over)
37.5% Genital
11.2% Oral
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
View: https://twitter.com/Monkeypoxtally/status/1553117019117060109




Monkeypoxtally @Monkeypoxtally
BREAKING: Indiana announces 2 monkeypox cases among children
3:35 PM · Jul 29, 2022
I need to find the actual announcement to show my boss (DVM)
I told him back in May, this was going to be our next pandemic.



Today, on my lunch break I brought it up again and asked him if he’d seen he CDC concern for pets.
I said, “it’s here. It IS HERE…Just like I warned in May”
I told him it’s infecting children now too, most adults are being hospitalized for extreme pain and internal fissures; I tried to talk him all I knew in ten minutes…organs being effected , blindness, fissures in the body… and I have no desire to be disfigured by facial lesions or blindness.
He knows (!!!) what internal fissures are like especially in the anal region because we deal with that weekly, with abscessed anal glands in dogs….it is freaking hideous what we have to do to those poor dogs, to help them and I hate it…they scream.

He said he’s not seen the bulletin sent out to DVM’s and doesn’t have the time to read all of them.
Also, he went on to to say he just hopes it’ll “stay over there, in Marion county” and not get on our area.
Omg

sigh***
 
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psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ok, I think also this thread is important as she is documenting her infection as well as the fact she is married.
She says she is aDr but I’ve not followed back to her page yet… it’s her “journey and pain” I’m interested in sharing as well as that she’s a woman infected.
She thinks the contracted it while on a camping trip

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/basophil_brett/status/1553040192348585985
To continue, she says her dog is being watched for infection now

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/basophil_brett/status/1553040224225304576
 

jward

passin' thru
pain and Brazil report first monkeypox deaths - BNO News
Published 3 hours ago on July 29, 2022 By BNO News



Spain and Brazil have each reported a death from monkeypox, the first outside Africa, health officials announced on Friday. It comes less than a week after the outbreak was declared an international health emergency.
The death in Brazil happened in Belo Horizonte, one of the country’s largest cities. The health ministry said the patient was a 41-year-old man with a seriously weakened immune system. He died on Thursday.

A local health official said the man was being treated for lymphoma when he tested positive for monkeypox.
Spain’s health ministry also reported a death from moneypox, but specific details were not immediately released. An update from the health ministry said, out of 3,750 cases with detailed information, 120 were hospitalized.
The first case in the current outbreak was detected in London on May 7 in a recent traveler from Nigeria, where monkeypox is endemic. More cases were detected in the following weeks, and the outbreak has now infected more than 21,000 people in 78 countries.
Until Friday, the only deaths had been reported in Africa.



BNO News
@BNOFeed


BREAKING: Spain reports Europe's first monkeypox death
 

jward

passin' thru
Monkeypox—Eight Weeks To Stop The Spread

By Anony Mee


The question:

If refraining from sexual contact for three-to-eight weeks could save lives and put a stop to suffering in your community, would you do it?

The history:
Monkeypox is an animal virus that can be transmitted to and between humans. In 1970, the first human case of monkeypox was identified in a child in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. It has appeared since then mostly in tropical African countries. The 2003 outbreak in the U.S. was via infected prairie dog pets that had been housed with infected animals imported from Ghana. Most outbreaks outside of the African continent have originated from contact with travelers from Nigeria.

The science:

The current monkeypox outbreak is, almost exclusively, a sexually transmitted disease. The World Health Organization has declared it a disease of global public health importance. The cohort being infected during this outbreak is the MSM community. No, not the mainstream media; the men who have sex with men. Nowadays I guess that would be the males (XYs) who have sex with males (XYs), although anyone in intimate contact with an infected person can get it.
According to WHO, the disease has an incubation period of as few as 5 and as many as 21 days. The first symptoms are fever, intense headache, swollen lymph nodes, back pain, muscle aches, and extreme fatigue. The skin lesions usually appear within 1 to 3 days of the fever. Specific to this period, which lasts from two to four weeks, WHO says:
The rash tends to be more concentrated on the face and extremities rather than on the trunk. It affects the face (in 95% of cases), and palms of the hands and soles of the feet (in 75% of cases). Also affected are oral mucous membranes (in 70% of cases), genitalia (30%), and conjunctivae (20%), as well as the cornea. The rash evolves sequentially from macules (lesions with a flat base) to papules (slightly raised firm lesions), vesicles (lesions filled with clear fluid), pustules (lesions filled with yellowish fluid), and crusts which dry up and fall off. The number of lesions varies from a few to several thousand. In severe cases, lesions can coalesce until large sections of skin slough off.
The R naught—the reproductive rate of the virus—is probably less than that of smallpox, which is 3.5 to 6.0. Monkeypox is infectious from the first sign of symptoms until the rash is fully healed and new skin has formed.
According to the CDC, it is spread through intimate contact with the rash, scabs, or bodily fluids, including close contact with respiratory secretions while kissing, touching items that have touched a rash or such body fluids, and traveling through the placenta. Monkeypox virus enters the body through broken skin, the respiratory tract, eyes, nose, and mouth.

The pictures of infected people with widespread rashes look horrific. The rash can be very painful and leave scars. More worrying is that the case fatality rate is between 3% and 6%. With more than 15,000 people worldwide known to be infected, that’s 450 to 900 expected deaths right there. Risk factors according to Healthline include having a more severe case, being a younger person, prolonged exposure to the virus, and having overall poor health. That would naturally include anyone already at risk of higher STD exposure.
There’s lots of talk of mass vaccinations to prevent contagion. With this vaccine, that might work. It will take time, logistics, money, and the public’s cooperation with governments currently in several hot seats with their people to make it effective. How about we try something else, in addition to a vaccination outreach?

The appeal:
Unlike SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19), this is a virus that has limited opportunity for transmission. Imagine! What a wonder it would be if the most at-risk members of our world were to stop the spread of this potentially deadly contagion in its tracks. What a powerful show of force and determination for a historically disparaged group.
How would this work? Let’s pick an arbitrary date, say August 1, 2022. Every man who engages in sexual relations with other men, and others whose sexual partner does so, refrains from sexual intimacy, including kissing and intimately touching the genitals, eyes, noses, and mouths of others, for three weeks. At this point, with no symptoms of fever, achiness, enlarged lymph nodes, tremendous fatigue, or rash, one can presume to be uninfected. The uninfected know what to do to remain safe from this virus—refrain from indiscriminate intimacy. Those that do experience symptoms seek medical care and supervision of their progress—and continue to refrain from vector activities until the virus has run its course.
Meanwhile, countries, governments, international and multilateral organizations like the UN and WHO, political parties, communities, advocacy groups, and many others can broadcast public service announcements telling folks that only they can stop the monkeypox. It probably will not surprise anyone that the same group most at risk of catching monkeypox is also at a high risk of contracting HIV. The CDC's budget includes HIV prevention. American embassies in countries with a high HIV/AIDS burden have funding in place through the PEPFAR (the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief) program to support outreach in communities, like the MSM, to reduce the incidence of transmission.

Raves can be postponed; gay bars can become more sedate gathering places, reminding folks that they are saving lives by making their own lives somewhat uncomfortable for a few weeks. Friends can have conversations with friends; ditto family members. Those mutually attracted can make a date for later, perhaps during the holidays. Public health officials can reach out to their local MSM sex workers with help and financial support during this period. Those working with teens in the MSM world can encourage them to shoulder the responsibility that comes with a high-risk lifestyle.
Within eight weeks, the LGBTQ+ village can eradicate this terrible scourge. Then they could rightfully claim it takes a village to save a world. Let’s have the Pride family show the world what it’s made of—strength, wisdom, and sacrificial care for its own.

Calling on all our gay conservatives, especially, and their friends and allies, to announce and support a very time-limited movement to Stop the Pox.

Image made using a public domain image.
Anony Mee is the nom de blog of a retired public servant.
 

Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
Monkeypox—Eight Weeks To Stop The Spread

By Anony Mee


The question:

If refraining from sexual contact for three-to-eight weeks could save lives and put a stop to suffering in your community, would you do it?

The history:
Monkeypox is an animal virus that can be transmitted to and between humans. In 1970, the first human case of monkeypox was identified in a child in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. It has appeared since then mostly in tropical African countries. The 2003 outbreak in the U.S. was via infected prairie dog pets that had been housed with infected animals imported from Ghana. Most outbreaks outside of the African continent have originated from contact with travelers from Nigeria.

The science:

The current monkeypox outbreak is, almost exclusively, a sexually transmitted disease. The World Health Organization has declared it a disease of global public health importance. The cohort being infected during this outbreak is the MSM community. No, not the mainstream media; the men who have sex with men. Nowadays I guess that would be the males (XYs) who have sex with males (XYs), although anyone in intimate contact with an infected person can get it.
According to WHO, the disease has an incubation period of as few as 5 and as many as 21 days. The first symptoms are fever, intense headache, swollen lymph nodes, back pain, muscle aches, and extreme fatigue. The skin lesions usually appear within 1 to 3 days of the fever. Specific to this period, which lasts from two to four weeks, WHO says:

The R naught—the reproductive rate of the virus—is probably less than that of smallpox, which is 3.5 to 6.0. Monkeypox is infectious from the first sign of symptoms until the rash is fully healed and new skin has formed.
According to the CDC, it is spread through intimate contact with the rash, scabs, or bodily fluids, including close contact with respiratory secretions while kissing, touching items that have touched a rash or such body fluids, and traveling through the placenta. Monkeypox virus enters the body through broken skin, the respiratory tract, eyes, nose, and mouth.

The pictures of infected people with widespread rashes look horrific. The rash can be very painful and leave scars. More worrying is that the case fatality rate is between 3% and 6%. With more than 15,000 people worldwide known to be infected, that’s 450 to 900 expected deaths right there. Risk factors according to Healthline include having a more severe case, being a younger person, prolonged exposure to the virus, and having overall poor health. That would naturally include anyone already at risk of higher STD exposure.
There’s lots of talk of mass vaccinations to prevent contagion. With this vaccine, that might work. It will take time, logistics, money, and the public’s cooperation with governments currently in several hot seats with their people to make it effective. How about we try something else, in addition to a vaccination outreach?

The appeal:
Unlike SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19), this is a virus that has limited opportunity for transmission. Imagine! What a wonder it would be if the most at-risk members of our world were to stop the spread of this potentially deadly contagion in its tracks. What a powerful show of force and determination for a historically disparaged group.
How would this work? Let’s pick an arbitrary date, say August 1, 2022. Every man who engages in sexual relations with other men, and others whose sexual partner does so, refrains from sexual intimacy, including kissing and intimately touching the genitals, eyes, noses, and mouths of others, for three weeks. At this point, with no symptoms of fever, achiness, enlarged lymph nodes, tremendous fatigue, or rash, one can presume to be uninfected. The uninfected know what to do to remain safe from this virus—refrain from indiscriminate intimacy. Those that do experience symptoms seek medical care and supervision of their progress—and continue to refrain from vector activities until the virus has run its course.
Meanwhile, countries, governments, international and multilateral organizations like the UN and WHO, political parties, communities, advocacy groups, and many others can broadcast public service announcements telling folks that only they can stop the monkeypox. It probably will not surprise anyone that the same group most at risk of catching monkeypox is also at a high risk of contracting HIV. The CDC's budget includes HIV prevention. American embassies in countries with a high HIV/AIDS burden have funding in place through the PEPFAR (the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief) program to support outreach in communities, like the MSM, to reduce the incidence of transmission.

Raves can be postponed; gay bars can become more sedate gathering places, reminding folks that they are saving lives by making their own lives somewhat uncomfortable for a few weeks. Friends can have conversations with friends; ditto family members. Those mutually attracted can make a date for later, perhaps during the holidays. Public health officials can reach out to their local MSM sex workers with help and financial support during this period. Those working with teens in the MSM world can encourage them to shoulder the responsibility that comes with a high-risk lifestyle.
Within eight weeks, the LGBTQ+ village can eradicate this terrible scourge. Then they could rightfully claim it takes a village to save a world. Let’s have the Pride family show the world what it’s made of—strength, wisdom, and sacrificial care for its own.

Calling on all our gay conservatives, especially, and their friends and allies, to announce and support a very time-limited movement to Stop the Pox.

Image made using a public domain image.
Anony Mee is the nom de blog of a retired public servant.
Not gonna happen. You know it, I know it, Bob Dole knows it, and most of the American people know it. Get real.
 

Tigerlily

Senior Member
Monkeypox—Eight Weeks To Stop The Spread

By Anony Mee


The question:

If refraining from sexual contact for three-to-eight weeks could save lives and put a stop to suffering in your community, would you do it?

The history:
Monkeypox is an animal virus that can be transmitted to and between humans. In 1970, the first human case of monkeypox was identified in a child in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. It has appeared since then mostly in tropical African countries. The 2003 outbreak in the U.S. was via infected prairie dog pets that had been housed with infected animals imported from Ghana. Most outbreaks outside of the African continent have originated from contact with travelers from Nigeria.

The science:

The current monkeypox outbreak is, almost exclusively, a sexually transmitted disease. The World Health Organization has declared it a disease of global public health importance. The cohort being infected during this outbreak is the MSM community. No, not the mainstream media; the men who have sex with men. Nowadays I guess that would be the males (XYs) who have sex with males (XYs), although anyone in intimate contact with an infected person can get it.
According to WHO, the disease has an incubation period of as few as 5 and as many as 21 days. The first symptoms are fever, intense headache, swollen lymph nodes, back pain, muscle aches, and extreme fatigue. The skin lesions usually appear within 1 to 3 days of the fever. Specific to this period, which lasts from two to four weeks, WHO says:

The R naught—the reproductive rate of the virus—is probably less than that of smallpox, which is 3.5 to 6.0. Monkeypox is infectious from the first sign of symptoms until the rash is fully healed and new skin has formed.
According to the CDC, it is spread through intimate contact with the rash, scabs, or bodily fluids, including close contact with respiratory secretions while kissing, touching items that have touched a rash or such body fluids, and traveling through the placenta. Monkeypox virus enters the body through broken skin, the respiratory tract, eyes, nose, and mouth.

The pictures of infected people with widespread rashes look horrific. The rash can be very painful and leave scars. More worrying is that the case fatality rate is between 3% and 6%. With more than 15,000 people worldwide known to be infected, that’s 450 to 900 expected deaths right there. Risk factors according to Healthline include having a more severe case, being a younger person, prolonged exposure to the virus, and having overall poor health. That would naturally include anyone already at risk of higher STD exposure.
There’s lots of talk of mass vaccinations to prevent contagion. With this vaccine, that might work. It will take time, logistics, money, and the public’s cooperation with governments currently in several hot seats with their people to make it effective. How about we try something else, in addition to a vaccination outreach?

Those infected prairie dogs were in separate cages, so it is airborne. It is suspicious that the people in charge are so determined to convince us that Monkeypox has changed so much that there is no danger of airborne transmission. In fact, it is insane that they so want this association with gay men, and then the bizarre let's not stigmatize by calling it monkeypox. So weird. And considering the folks doing it, who poisoned millions, I don't trust a word they say.

The R0 of Smallpox is 3.5-6. It is estimated Monkeypox has an R0 of up to 2.4.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I try not to be judgmental, I really do.
But you know it translates to "movable orgy" and you only pray they leave the pets at home. So, we're back to "if you want to risk this crap, I guess we can't stop you (remember, California *legalized* *keeping your positive HIV status SECRET*)

It still looks like if people avoid places where high concentrations of socially active gays spend time, or worse, exchange bodily fluids, AND if those reports of "strange chickenpox cases going through schools " were NOT monkeypox (They sure van8shed from the news cycle fast!)... your chances AT THIS TIME of catching it are pretty low. I don't have a crystal ball, but the crazy efforts to make this a "gay disease", when they are refusing to test anyone who isnt a gay male!

If it gets into cats or dogs, or wild animals , even you'll have a reservoir forever. This could have been stopped. Damn them all to hell! What's in THAT shot??

Summerthyme
 
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