ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I watched the BBC coverage of the Parade, I missed The Speech but they kept summarizing it - I gather Putin did not declare war (in that speech) nor did he call for total mobilization of military-aged men. But he did set the groundwork for the situation as a "War with NATO" rather than just a war with Ukraine.

I gather the speech was shorter than expected, he did get up and walk around a lot after the Parade, meeting with WWII veterans and leaving flowers on graves and monuments.

What is unknown is what Putin may do next, since he does martial arts, I had a feeling he wouldn't hand the west exactly what they were expecting this morning. But that doesn't mean he might not come up with some other surprise later.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
As I mentioned on the other thread, I seriously think the parade of VIPs going either actually to Ukraine or sometimes probably meeting leaders just over the border (but saying it is Ukraine) may be a ploy to try to keep Putin from blowing everything up right before or during Victory Day.

That's because while the public isn't told in advance of these visits, I suspect the Pentagon knows the Russian intelligence services do catch on and know what would happen if they blew up the First Lady or the Speaker of the House.

Zielinski made it clear he wanted Biden, but I suspect Biden is just way too far gone to trust with that sort of trip - in Poland, he nearly started World War Three by talking off the cuff, and even if they really staged a meeting outside of Ukraine, Biden might spill the beans. He also probably isn't well enough to take the long train rides that most VIPs are supposedly using to travel to Kyiv.

That said, sooner or later Russia (or Putin) is likely to get tired of this game of "don't kill the VIP" and will attack anyway if he wants to. For example, Bono's death would get a reaction, but he might also be useful to the West as a Martyr. A First Lady would pretty much result in a formal declaration of war, a rock star could be viewed by some intelligence agencies as a "useful idiot" (which is not to discount the personal bravery of Bono, just trying to think like a diplomat or pentagon person/alphabet agency for a moment).
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple

Haven't celebrities often gone to entertain the troops during wars? Bob Hope did, didn't he? If one can believe the show MASH, it happened in Korea.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Haven't celebrities often gone to entertain the troops during wars? Bob Hope did, didn't he? If one can believe the show MASH, it happened in Korea.
Yes, they did, but usually, in semi-"safe" areas, it is possible this is part of what is going on, but I suspect from watching the pattern that part of the goal has been to stop the potential for Putin either nuking or just carpet-bombing the capital.
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Haven't celebrities often gone to entertain the troops during wars? Bob Hope did, didn't he? If one can believe the show MASH, it happened in Korea.

Every war/police action since WWII.

The shows Bob Hope did in Vietnam were broadcast in the US, and were very good. Christmas special were very touching as it was a especial time for the majority of people there and those watching, and seeing them all join in Christmas Carols was hard even for the guys. Others gave entertainment for the troops, but Hope was the King of them all for shows and content.

Bob Hope also did shows every year, whether or not there were troops in harms way, and they were always worth a watch. "Lt. Dan" AKA Gary Sinise, is the younger version of Bob Hope with his support of the troops.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
here is a personal letter from a friend, her daughter is high school age.

i am putting this here so that all you, like doug, and raven and you know who you are... who think that somehow this invasion is justified, or that maybe the massacre in Bucha was really a Ukrainian 'false flag'.


" good early morning '*****'

I'm so happy to write you a letter now...

My heart hurts so much for Ukraine ..

I'm sorry that I didn't write to you for a long time .. I really missed you, but unfortunately in life, not everything is as simple as we would like;(

When the war started, I was in Kyiv and my daughter was in Sumy, I decided to go pick her up, but my journey was almost a day and at that moment Russian troops were already in the city of Sumy. This city is on the border.

I took my daughter and we went to Kyiv, our convoy was fired upon and some people died, I can't forget it. What kind of animals are these soldiers ... We will never be able to forgive ..

I hope this hell ends soon...

We are now in Germany with my sister..

How do you? "

and yesterday aft, i ran into my neighbor, a big jovial silent type, who runs a nice restaurant in town, or used to, in our common space. dressed up in full combat gear, side arm, full chest stash,.. now, i found out, he full time soldier , in charge of a platoon of 19 guys who are intense training... and they are not preparing to go east...

and on a 'light' note, at the big multi-purpose box store in town, they were playing this deep but moving mournful male chorus singing this , over and over:

слава україні
personal anecdotes do not support your assertion they are simply emotional appeals for continued support
Emotional appeal doesn't work on INTJs and those who use them are seen as being untrustworthy.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
personal anecdotes do not support your assertion they are simply emotional appeals for continued support
Emotional appeal doesn't work on INTJs and those who use them are seen as being untrustworthy.

Some may call it "personal anecdotes", while others will call it "eye-witness account." The person got shot at, of course they are going to be emotional. That doesn't change the fact that they were shot at.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Some may call it "personal anecdotes", while others will call it "eye-witness account." The person got shot at, of course they are going to be emotional. That doesn't change the fact that they were shot at.
falls under the heading of "can't see the forest for the trees"
one person getting shot at becomes justification for nuclear war or at the very least loss of food and energy security for some greater part of the world.

getting shot at is much different than getting shot, getting shot is different than getting killed.
now, you are telling me that "zee Russians" shot at someone but did not actually kill them and did not actually shoot them.
but you also tell me that they are killing everyone.
If they are killing everyone, then how did someone that got shot at but not killed?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Guys, I'm not a mod, but let me just say that O'Really is giving us his perspective from where he is on the ground and I for one appreciate that he does so.

Other personal stuff, well there are rooms for that here like Take It Outside, but while this room isn't just for breaking news a lot of us check-in for that, especially on a day of heightened tension like today.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Guys, I'm not a mod, but let me just say that O'Really is giving us his perspective from where he is on the ground and I for one appreciate that he does so.

Other personal stuff, well there are rooms for that here like Take It Outside, but while this room isn't just for breaking news a lot of us check-in for that, especially on a day of heightened tension like today.
If a poster addresses you personally are we to ignore that?
I'd would appreciate the clarification.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
now, you are telling me that "zee Russians" shot at someone but did not actually kill them and did not actually shoot them.
but you also tell me that they are killing everyone.
If they are killing everyone, then how did someone that got shot at but not killed?

Did I say either of the above? Nope. I certainly never suggested that it justified nuclear war. The party that has most often brough up that topic, as far as I have seen, has been the Russians. Lets hope that neither side goes there.

However, the originator of the story did say that some in their convoy were killed and now Oreally has clarified that it was not their army (Ukrainian) that did the shooting. Most likely, this leaves the Russians as the prime suspect.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment

Soldier talk warning ....

snip/

But not so much as to notice just how this current war is so fake, so ghey, and so well produced.

Latest word?
U2's Boner... er Bono and the Edge performed in a subway/bomb shelter while the First Slore met with Zelenskey's wife, a.k.a. "The Krainian First Slore"

Since when do all these ****ing luminaries show up, in an active ****ing war zone?
Inquiring Minds and all that.
Shiiiiiit... even after we'd supposedly "brought the Iraq resistance to a standstill" I remember driving by one of the impromptu bases that 1st Armored had set up when it was hit at lunchtime by a bunch of Fedayeen with RPGs... Talk about 'hairy'... ****ing savages weren't for shytte accuracy wise, but man, having an RPG round smoke across the front of your SUV whilst on the road, and just barely missing the Fueler truck that was in front of you? Oh thank you Jesus for bad aiming Haji mother****ers!

This's just about the equivalent that when those asshole/retards went to Iraq to act as 'human shields' for Saddam... They don't talk much aboot that anymore, but let me tell you, Uncle Sugar didn't give two wilding ****s about them. On a bridge that was targeted? >BOOOM<
Damned shame, guess you shouldn't've been there Aye?

Meselves then starts to cogitating.
Is Putin actually actively participating in this farce?
I mean really... If -I- and -I- was in charge?
OMFG... The First Sloot? Oh hells to the yes... One Hypersonic Cluster Carrying ****ing "**** You Because That's Why" missile dropped on her and her entire entourage. The very fact that it didn't happen? Makes me think there's something more to this whole thing.

I mean really, what's to lose?
From Putin's perspective, he's already a full on pariah.
Blowing the First Sloot of the Untied Staatz to Hamburgerlers would be a choice mission
Shows you have the determination to win, no matter who or what is in the way.
But, nope
Nada
Bupkiss
Nichts
****ing El Zippo
Makes me wonder if this ENTIRE thing is nothing more than a 'reality TV war' starring a cast of thousands, who have no idea that it's all fake, ghey and bullshit. Doesn't matter that they are ackchully the ones dying donchaknow? Our "betters" obviously have a plan... what it is, I have -no idea- but right now?

Every. ****ing. Thing. Is. Suspect.
Unless you know it/see it/breathe it/witness it
It's ALL bullshit.

Until I see Putin dropping the Rooskie equivalent of a ****ing JDAM on one of these "headman" parties or the Big Krainfeld hisself, then this's ALL Bullshit. To what end? No idea? Probably the complete disruption of the planet and society as a whole, with the intent to re-establish some form of 'serfdom/elite' but.... they seem to have forgotten... yeah, we've been meek and melted and slow over the past two to four decades... Problem is... "The Savage Awaits."

Barbarism is only a few mouseclicks away and/or a few actions away.
Our 'betters' seem to have forgotten that...

More Later The Intrepid Reporter
Big Country
 

crossbowboy

Certifiable
Not really. Pay the 200 tax fill out the form and wait and wait and wait. eForm 4s are supposed to be quicker.

A good relationship with your local Sheriff probably helps too.

I wouldn't know, can't afford the $200 let alone 42 large.

Good thing I built back better before the boating began...

:lkick:
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
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Very short speech from Putin with no major announcements. He spoke only briefly about Soviet victory over Nazi Germany and quickly tied it to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, trying to justify it by falsely stating the West/NATO/Ukraine wanted to destroy Russia, so had to attack.
He didn't bite. He's having to play ball in a Unipolar world. Smart move on his part.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment

Kiev can’t maintain and repair complex US and NATO arms – if they break, they're useless
By Scott Ritter
RT News

May 9, 2022

After hounding the US and other NATO members for weeks about his need for heavy weapons to defend against Russia’s ongoing “special military operation”, Ukraine’s President, Volodymyr Zelensky, appears to have been granted his wish. The US Congress, on April 28, passed legislation that breathed life into a World War II-era law that would allow the US to quickly supply weapons to Ukraine on loan.

By a vote of 417 to 10, the House of Representatives sent the revised 80-year-old law to the desk of President Joe Biden, where he is expected to sign it (the US Senate had earlier passed the legislation unanimously.)

“Passage of that act enabled Great Britain and Winston Churchill to keep fighting and to survive the fascist Nazi bombardment until the United States could enter the war,” said Representative Jamie Raskin, a Democrat from Maryland who has been at the forefront of anti-Russian legislation over the years. “President Zelensky has said that Ukraine needs weapons to sustain themselves, and President Biden has answered that call.”

The Congressional action comes on the heels of President Biden approving an additional $33 billion in military aid on top of the nearly $3 billion already provided to Ukraine since the start of the conflict with Russia. While much of the earlier weapons shipments focused on light weaponry such as anti-tank missiles and man-portable air defense systems, the new support package places an emphasis on heavy weaponry, such as howitzers and armored fighting vehicles, which Ukraine needs to replace equipment destroyed or damaged in battle.

Beware of what you wish for.

General Omar Bradley, a famous American military commander during World War II who knew more than a thing or two about killing Nazis, is attributed with saying “amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics.” For every piece of heavy equipment that the Ukrainian military is about to receive as part of this massive infusion of military aid provided by the US there is attached the unspoken yet critical reality of the issue of maintenance and sustainability. Simply put, if its broke, you can’t use it. And military equipment breaks – frequently – especially when subjected to the strains and stress of unending modern combat.

Take the M777 155mm towed howitzer the US is providing to Ukraine – some 90 in total. Intended to be a lightweight, easily transportable replacement for the workhorse M198 howitzer used by the US Army and Marines from the mid-1980’s through the mid-2000’s, its design made sacrifices to reduce weight which, under combat conditions, resulted in “serious problems with metal fatigue, instability while firing, and damage inflicted by recoil quickly became apparent,” according to a fact-sheet about the system. Many of the problems faced by the M777 revolve around the materials used in its production. “There are many problems with using titanium instead of steel,” the fact-sheet notes, “rooted in the fact that while it is similarly strong, titanium alloys are much less flexible (making them more prone to metal fatigue).” Moreover, the fact sheet concludes that “this artillery piece is too light for the powerful 155 mm ammunition. The lighter a weapon is that fires a given projectile and propellant charge, the more violent its recoil is. This has resulted in the recoil-absorption mechanisms in the M777 wearing out dangerously fast in combat conditions.”

The US Army experience at the National Training Center, in Fort Irwin, California, shows that the combat effectiveness of an M777-equipped artillery unit begins to degrade around the fourth day of operations, primarily due to maintenance issues. Left unresolved, an M777-equipped unit could find itself completely combat ineffective within a week. The US Army solution—extensive field-level maintenance supported by forward-deployment of critical spare parts and highly trained personnel—is one that can only be conducted by units trained to do so, and with the logistical infrastructure in place to allow it.

The Ukrainian Army, which is undergoing training on the M777 system at the US Army training center in Grafenwoehr, Germany, will be focused on the manpower-heavy requirements of M777 operation (which needs an eight-man crew, as opposed to the five-man crew of the M198), and not how to maintain the system in combat. But even if these weapons make it to the front lines, the complexity of the system will ensure inefficient operations which sooner rather than later will result in the M777 howitzer breaking down with no means of repairing it.

The logistical problems of the M777 are replicated with each item of heavy military equipment the US and its NATO allies are providing to Ukraine, from 200 obsolete Vietnam-era M113 armored personnel carriers (whose 6V53 Detroit two-stroke six-cylinder diesel engines with Allison TX100-1 three-speed automatic transmissions are unlike anything in the Ukrainian military arsenal, meaning there is no one qualified to maintain or repair them in Ukraine) to the 50 obsolete 1960’s-era Gepard anti-aircraft armored vehicles dispatched by Germany (with separate engines for propulsion and energy supply to the turret, doubling the maintenance headache). The US and NATO seem content with providing Ukraine with old, worn out (obsolete is the operative word here) equipment that is virtually guaranteed to break down rapidly under combat conditions and for which Ukraine has no logistical support plan in place.

Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Speaker of the House, recently visited Ukraine, where she told President Zelensky “America stands with Ukraine. We stand with Ukraine until victory is won,” adding “Our commitment is to be there for you until the fight is done.” Pelosi’s visit has been portrayed as an indication that the Biden administration, by providing Ukraine with the heavy weaponry it has been requesting, is committed to Ukraine prevailing in the ongoing conflict with Russia. But the reality is far different—by providing Ukraine with equipment which is all but guaranteed to break down shortly after entering combat, and for which Ukraine has no infrastructure on hand to maintain and repair, Biden and Pelosi are doing little more than feeding the Ukrainian military suicide pills and calling it nutrition.

With friends like these, who needs enemies.

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer and author of 'SCORPION KING: America's Suicidal Embrace of Nuclear Weapons from FDR to Trump.' He served in the Soviet Union as an inspector implementing the INF Treaty, served in General Schwarzkopf's staff during the Gulf War, and from 1991 to 1998 served as a chief weapons inspector with the UN in Iraq. Mr Ritter currently writes on issues pertaining to international security, military affairs, Russia, and the Middle East, as well as arms control and nonproliferation. Follow him on Twitter @RealScottRitter

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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment

Biden Cynically Uses Ukraine to Cover Food Sabotage
By F. William Engdahl
26 April 2022

It’s beginning to look like some bad actors are deliberately taking steps to guarantee a coming global food crisis. Every measure that the Biden Administration strategists have been making to “control energy inflation” is damaging the supply or inflating the price of natural gas, oil and coal to the global economy. This is having a huge impact on fertilizer prices and food production. That began well before Ukraine. Now reports are circulating that Biden’s people have intervened to block the freight rail shipping of fertilizer at the most critical time for spring planting. By this autumn the effects will be explosive.

With the crucial time for USA spring planting at its critical phase, CF Industries of Deerfield, Illinois, the largest US supplier of nitrogen fertilizers as well as a vital diesel engine additive, issued a press release stating that, “On Friday, April 8, 2022, Union Pacific informed CF Industries without advance notice that it was mandating certain shippers to reduce the volume of private cars on its railroad effective immediately.” Union Pacific is one of only four major rail companies that together carry some 80% of all US agriculture rail freight. The CF company CEO, Tony Will stated, “The timing of this action by Union Pacific could not come at a worse time for farmers. Not only will fertilizer be delayed by these shipping restrictions, but additional fertilizer needed to complete spring applications may be unable to reach farmers at all. By placing this arbitrary restriction on just a handful of shippers, Union Pacific is jeopardizing farmers’ harvests and increasing the cost of food for consumers.” CF has made urgent appeals to the Biden Administration for remedy, so far with no positive action.

Direct sabotage

CF Industries noted that they were one of only thirty companies subject to the severe measure, which is indefinite. They ship via Union Pacific rail lines primarily from its Donaldsonville Complex in Louisiana and its Port Neal Complex in Iowa, to serve key farm states including Iowa, Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska, Texas and California. The ban will affect nitrogen fertilizers such as urea and urea ammonium nitrate (UAN), as well as diesel exhaust fluid, DEF (called AdBlue in Europe). DEF is an emissions control product required for diesel trucks today. Without it engines cannot run. It is made from urea. CF Industries is the largest producer of urea, UAN and DEF in North America, and its Donaldsonville Complex is the largest single production facility for the products in North America.

At the same time, the Biden gang has announced a fake remedy for record high gasoline pump prices. Washington announced the EPA will allow a 50% increase in corn-based biodiesel and ethanol fuel mix for the summer. On April 12 the Secretary of Agriculture announced a “bold” initiative by the US Administration to increase the use of domestically-grown corn-ethanol biofuels. Secretary Tom Vilsack claimed the measure would “reduce energy prices and tackle rising consumer prices caused by Putin’s Price Hike (sic) by tapping into a strong and bright future for the biofuel industry, in cars and trucks and the rail, marine, and aviation sectors and supporting use of €15 fuel this summer.”

Only the capitalized “Putin Price Hike” is not a result of Russian actions, but of Washington Green Energy decisions to phase out oil and gas. The energy price inflation is also about to go vastly higher in coming months owing to US and EU economic sanctions on export of Russian oil and likely gas. However the central point is that every acre of US farmland dedicated to growing corn for biofuels removes that food production from the food chain, to burn it as fuel. Since passage of the 2007 US Renewable Fuel Standards Act, which mandated annually rising targets for production of corn for ethanol fuel blends, biofuels have captured a huge part of total corn acreage, more than 40% in 2015. That shift, mandated by law, to burning corn as fuel had added a major price inflation for food well before the covid inflation crisis began. The USA is by far world’s largest corn producer and exporter. Now to mandate a significant increase in corn ethanol for fuel at a time of astronomical fertilizer prices, and fertilizer rail shipping are being blocked reportedly by White House orders, will send corn prices through the roof. Washington knows this very well. It is deliberate.

No wonder the price of US corn reached a 10-year high in mid-April, as exports from Russia and Ukraine, major sources, are now blocked by sanction and war. Aside from the energy-inefficient use of US corn for biodiesel supply, the latest Biden ethanol initiative will add to the growing food crisis while doing nothing to lower US gasoline prices. A major use for US feed corn is as animal feed for cattle, pigs and poultry as well as for human diets. This cynical biofuel order is not about US “energy independence.” Biden ended that in his first days in office by a series of bans on oil and gas drilling and pipelines as part of his Zero Carbon agenda.

In what is clearly becoming a US Administration war on food, the situation is being dramatically aggravated by USDA demands for chicken farmers to kill off millions of chickens in now 27 states, allegedly for signs of Bird Flu infection. The H5N1 Bird Flu “virus” was exposed in 2015 as a complete hoax. The tests used by the US government inspectors to determine bird flu now are the same unreliable PCR tests used for COVID in humans. The test is worthless for that. US Government officials estimate that since first cases were “tested” positive in February, at least 23 million chickens and turkeys have been culled to allegedly contain the spread of a disease whose cause could be the incredibly unsanitary cage confinement of mass industrial chicken CAFOs. The upshot is sharp rises in prices of egg by some 300% since November and severe loss of chicken protein sources for American consumers at a time when overall cost of living inflation is at a 40-year high.

To make matters worse, California and Oregon are again declaring water emergency amid a multi-year drought and are sharply reducing irrigation water to farmers in California, who produce the major share of US fresh vegetables and fruits. That drought has since spread to cover most agriculture land west of the Mississippi River, meaning much of US farmland.

US food security is under threat as never before since the 1930s Dust Bowl, and the Biden Administration “Green Agenda” is doing everything to make the impact worse for its citizens.

In recent comments US President Biden remarked without elaborating that the US food shortages are “going to be real.” His administration also is deaf to pleas of farmer organizations to allow cultivation of some 4 million acres of farmland ordered left out of cultivation for “environmental reasons. However this is not the only part of the world where crisis in food is developing.

Global Disaster

These deliberate Washington actions are taking place at a time a global series of food disasters create the worst food supply situation in decades, perhaps since the World War II end.

In the EU, which is significantly dependent on Russia, Belarus and Ukraine for feed grains, fertilizers and energy, sanctions are making the covid-induced food shortages dramatically worse. The EU uses its foolish Green Agenda as an excuse to forbid the Italian government from ignoring EU rules limiting state aid to farmers. In Germany, the new Green Party Agriculture Minister Cem Özdemir, who wants to phase out traditional agriculture allegedly for its “greenhouse gas” emissions, has given farmers who want to grow more food a cold response. The EU faces many of the same disastrous threats to food security as the USA and even more dependence on Russian energy which is about to be suicidally sanctioned by the EU.

The major food producing countries in South America, especially Argentina and Paraguay, are in the midst of a severe drought attributed to a periodic La Niña Pacific anomaly that has crippled crops there. Sanctions on Belarus and Russia fertilizers are threatening Brazil crops, aggravated with bottlenecks in ocean transport.

China just announced that owing to severe rains in 2021, this year’s winter wheat crop could be the worst in its history. The CCP also has instituted severe measures to get farmers to expand cultivation to non-farm lands with little reported effect. According to a report by China watcher Erik Mertz, “In China’s Jilin, Heilongjiang, and Liaoning provinces, officials have reported one in three farmers lack sufficient seed and fertilizer supplies to begin planting for the optimum spring window… According to sources within these areas, they are stuck waiting on seed and fertilizer which have been imported to China from overseas – and which are stuck in the cargo ships sitting off the coast of Shanghai.” Shanghai, the world’s largest container port, has been under a bizarre “Zero Covid” total quarantine for more than four weeks with no end in sight. In a desperate bid by the CCP “ordering” increased food production, local CP officials throughout China have begun transforming basketball courts and even roads into cropland. The food situation in China is forcing the country to import far more at a time of global shortages, driving world grain and food prices even higher.

Africa is also severely impacted by the US-imposed sanctions and war ending food and fertilizer exports from Russia and Ukraine. Thirty five African countries get food from Russia and Ukraine. Twenty two African countries import fertilizer from there. Alternatives are seriously lacking as prices soar and supply collapses. Famine is predicted.

David M. Beasley, executive director of the UN World Food Program, declared recently on the global food outlook, “There is no precedent even close to this since World War II.”

Notably, it was the Biden Treasury Department that drew up a list of the most comprehensive economic sanctions against Russia and Belarus, pressuring a compliant EU to dutifully follow, sanctions whose impact on global grain and fertilizer and energy supply and prices was entirely predictable. It was in effect a sanction on the US and global economy.

These are but the latest examples of deliberate US Government sabotage of the food chain as part of the Biden Green Agenda, of Davos WEF, Bill Gates and the Rockefeller Foundation, as part of their dystopian Great Reset eugenics agenda. Traditional agriculture is to be replaced by a synthetic lab grown diet of fake meats and protein from grasshoppers and worms, worldwide. All for the supposed glory of controlling global climate. This is truly mad.





F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”
 

Roger Thornhill

Some irascible old curmudgeon
and if you found a dozen+ of highest quality females, who all wanted you, you would turn them away? sure... laugh....

It would be great if we could concentrate on verifiable, objective facts instead of anecdotes from a lovestruck swain.
Oreally, I appreciate the fact that you're in a war zone and pretty stressed-out. But I think emotion has distorted your ability to report events accurately. The day-to-day occurrences within your local neighborhood don't often reflect everything which happens over the horizon.
 

Tex88

Veteran Member
It would be great if we could concentrate on verifiable, objective facts instead of anecdotes from a lovestruck swain.
Oreally, I appreciate the fact that you're in a war zone and pretty stressed-out. But I think emotion has distorted your ability to report events accurately. The day-to-day occurrences within your local neighborhood don't often reflect everything which happens over the horizon.

No particular point, but that is exactly what starry eyed zoomers tell me when they extoll the virtues of socialism and I tell them I grew up in a socialist country and it sucked ass. Also "educate yourself beyond your horizon", as if somehow I was unaware of the existence of books and the internet.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
It would be great if we could concentrate on verifiable, objective facts instead of anecdotes from a lovestruck swain.
Oreally, I appreciate the fact that you're in a war zone and pretty stressed-out. But I think emotion has distorted your ability to report events accurately. The day-to-day occurrences within your local neighborhood don't often reflect everything which happens over the horizon.
ok. you're right.

too close. too involved. too personal.

i will leave all that out in the future.

i have enough going on to handle tb2k stress on top of it all.
 
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