ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

raven

TB Fanatic
Since the Ukrainians are able to stop the Russian advance . . .
Why do we need NATO?
No need to spend all that money.

Just let the US keep a stable full of nukes as a deterrent.
And then Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania can pay Ukraine for Protection

Seriously, the whole point of NATO was to prevent Russia from running over Europe.
Ukraine has not had the assistance of any of NATOs advanced military capability
and yet Uke civilians are joking it up with broke down Russia tankers begging for fuel and food.
 

compchyk

The Computer Chyck
Spoke with friend last night who is a Director of something at one of the largest banks in the US. He said upper MGMT is very very worried about cyber attacks and all time off for the computer guys is cancelled and they are currently on call 24/7.
Geek who spent over 15 years in banking/brokerage here. Normal operations is that they're always on call 24/7. All time off being cancelled is the bigger deal here.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Bigger, badder war storm headed for Ukraine
Combat is set to intensify as the West pours in weapons and Moscow deploys ‘poor man’s nukes’ to the Ukrainian frontier

By ANDREW SALMON
FEBRUARY 27, 2022

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Ukrainian soldiers use a launcher with US-made Javelin missiles during military exercises in Donetsk region, Ukraine, December 23, 2021. Photo: Ukranian Defense Ministry Press Service


With Russia’s war in Ukraine set to enter a second week, there is no sign of a resolution or a halt to the destruction in sight.

Any Kremlin hopes that its invasion might end with a swift coup de main victory, an uprising against the Ukrainian government, or a collapse of resistance have so far been dashed.

The war winds have not yet risen to hurricane force. Large-scale street fighting, the most murderous and destructive form of combat, has not yet broken out in the capital of Kiev or the second-largest city of Kharkov, though skirmishes are being reported in the streets of the latter. And Russian air-missile strikes remain largely – though not entirely – discriminate, striking military, infrastructure and energy targets.

But with both Russia and the West, including significantly Germany, sending more arms into the conflict zone while the Ukrainian government arms both reservists and civilians, the fighting looks set to intensify in the days and weeks ahead.

Early indications are that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s operation is not only turning Russia into a pariah state, judging by the international community’s rising condemnation, it is also making global heroes of Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky and his embattled people.


A diluted offensive

Russia has advanced on multiple axes across eastern Ukraine – a factor that has necessarily dispersed its attacking forces and diluted their potential combat power.

This lack of concentration, combined with the Ukrainian will to fight, has so far thwarted any hopes the Kremlin may have entertained of a lightning military victory. Russian casualties, unreported in Moscow, are unknown but estimates range from the mid hundreds (UK) to the low thousands (Ukraine).

With fighting reported in multiple locations across eastern Ukraine and missile strikes hitting targets nationwide, Russia’s main point of effort has still not been identified.

Early analyses were that Moscow would seek to carve out the entire Donbass region in the east, or seize a land corridor in the south along the Sea of Avoz, linking Crimea with the Donbass and Russia proper.

Both the above operations appear to be in play. Street fighting is being reported in Kharkov, Ukraine’s second largest city. The site of multiple World War II battles and a key communications hub, Kharkov is strategically located in relation to the Donbass.

However, the fighting around Kiev – or at least the capital’s investiture – in the country’s north-center, suggests an even more ambitious aim.

Absent any ceasefire accord or a shock new ploy by the Russian invaders, the tempo of the fighting looks set to increase for three reasons.

Firstly, it is not clear whether the main Russian maneuver force – its full weight of armored battlegroups – has yet been committed to battle.

Secondly, there are early grim signals that indicate the nature of the fighting is going to become more atrocious.

Thirdly, every day that passes grants the Ukrainian authorities, however disjointed they were by the shock phase of the attack, the opportunity to expand the size of their forces.

Though Russia’s active service military outnumbers Ukraine’s by a ratio of over 4-to-1, Moscow has widespread security commitments across both its own vast landmass – the world’s biggest nation – and with its expeditionary unit in Syria. With Kiev both mobilizing reserves and arming civilians, the manpower matrix cannot favor the invading force.

Kiev’s arming of civilians raises the specter of a double-headed conflict. One the one hand, a clash between uniformed, regular troops; on the other, fighting between Russian troops and Ukrainian partisans. The latter format of combat, as military history shows, has a tendency to accelerate atrocious conduct against the civilian population.

There are already social media clips of unarmed Ukrainian civilians stepping up and playing brave, unarmed roles, including by standing in roads to slow the passage of Russian vehicle convoys. How widespread this kind of action could become is impossible to say.

Meanwhile, Ukraine’s pleading for weapons is being answered, including from heretofore reluctant armorers.
Germany – a central European power that has customarily been far more reticent than either the Anglosphere or former Eastern bloc nations when it comes to confronting Russia – has announced that it will send anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to Ukraine. That reverses a long-standing German policy of not sending arms into combat zones.

Already, the US has sent shipments of Javelin anti-tank missiles, while the UK has sent Light Anti-Armor Weapons. While the former is a sophisticated, long-range weapon, the LAW is a simple, one-shot, shoulder-fired throwaway weapon. It can be easily mastered with minimal training, and is highly effective against all classes of armored vehicles at close range.
But it is not just Ukraine that is up-gunning.


Chechen-style end-game?

Things may be set to turn even more unpleasant for Ukraine’s defenders. According to reports from Russia, mobile thermobaric rocket launchers are being deployed toward the Ukrainian frontier.

Sometimes known as “the poor man’s nuke”, these weapons detonate fuel-air explosive to achieve a combination effect that is both explosive and incendiary: In essence, a combination of bomb and flamethrower.

By literally setting air on fire, these fearsome munitions are ideal for clearing well-defended or dug-in positions – such as the strongpoints encountered in urban fighting.

Separate reports claim that pro-Moscow Chechen units are mobilizing for Ukraine.

Since Czarist times, the Caucasus was a cauldron for struggle known to breed particularly martial peoples. Units of both pro- and anti-Russian Chechens have fought in the Donbass struggle, and now reports from Grozny indicate that Chechen units are moving to reinforce the Russian effort in Ukraine.

The mass killing and destruction of Russia’s wars to prevent Chechnya from breaking away from the Russian Federation, which ran from 1994-2009, are well known. Tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of non-combatants were killed; countless more were “disappeared” in the mopping-up phase.

Thus far, the kind of unrestrained firepower that the Russian military used to reduce Grozny and other urban centers to ashes has not yet been unleashed upon Ukraine.

While TV news reports show unmistakable signs of missile and other strikes on civilian targets, these hits appear to be single-shot misfires rather than part of a deliberate campaign of concentrated barrages or old-school carpet bombing.

Whether such gloves-off tactics will be used in the days to come – particularly if Russian forces run short of precision munitions and resort to “dumb” bombs and shells – is still unclear.

And politically, Chechnya may provide a grim model for Ukraine’s future – either the country as a whole, or a semi-Ukrainian puppet state Moscow may seek to carve out east of the Dniepr River.

In Chechnya, Russia suffered immense fallout in terms of the reputation of its armed forces, and was rocked by spectacularly hideous terrorist attacks, such as the massacre of school children in Beslan and mass deaths in a Moscow theater.

Yet, Moscow remained wedded to its long-term aims. Contrary to the faltering national will that doomed US military adventures in war zones such as Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia stayed the course.

After vicious fighting and mass destruction, Moscow adopted a divide-and-rule policy, striking a deal with former insurgents. Those allies became proxies, who stabilized and now run Chechnya.

Grozny was rebuilt from scratch with massive investment – today,it looks more like Dubai than Stalingrad – but the government of strongman Ramzan Kadyrov, fiercely loyal to Putin, is widely accused of human rights abuses.

Moreover, the successful end game of that war from Moscow’s perspective – Chechnya remains part of the Russian Federation, albeit with significant devolution of power to Grozny – makes clear how determined Moscow is when it comes to maintaining what it believes is its own territory, resources and human capital.

Putin has made clear that he does not consider Ukraine a country worthy of independent statehood.


Blowback storm rising

Meanwhile, across much of the world, Russia’s reputation has plummeted to the point where long-time Putin sidekick Dmitri Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, has blustered that his country could or should sever diplomatic ties with Western countries.

Meanwhile, the invasion has made an early hero of Ukrainian President Zelenksy. It was never certain that the former comedian had the iron will to withstand such a stern, indeed, existential crisis.

However, his ongoing defiance and refusal to flee his threatened capital Kiev to establish a headquarters in the west of his country, or even a provisional government abroad, has been approvingly noted locally and reported worldwide.

In terms of pushback, Western actions are increasing in their severity.

A consensus has at last been reached by Western bloc nations to deny certain Russian banks access to the global SWIFT transaction system. This action, long threatened and now set for implementation, will leave Russia heavily dependent on China, which is seeking to expand the yuan bloc, for access to global financial markets.

Already, the French Navy has seized and impounded a Russian cargo ship carrying cars in the Channel, suspecting it of being linked to a sanctioned Russian financial institution.

And he Russian assault is generating pushback far beyond Western Europe and North America, with anti-Russian demonstrations being reported as far afield as South America.

Even so, not all key players are fully on board.

Despite early reports, the latest indications are that Turkey – in recent years one of NATO’s shakier members, headed by independently minded President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who is believed to have amicable personal ties with Putin – has not yet moved to close the Bosphorous passage to Russian shipping.

That potential move, enabled by the Montreaux Treaty which grants Ankara freedom of action in the strait, would trap Russian vessels in the Black Sea, cutting them off from the Mediterranean and wider global seaways.

Meanwhile, with global attention fixated on Ukraine, other actors are conducting their own military actions. North Korea this morning test-launched what is being reported in Seoul as a likely intermediate-range ballistic missile, it’s eighth missile test this year.

 

naegling62

Veteran Member
Since the Ukrainians are able to stop the Russian advance . . .
Why do we need NATO?
No need to spend all that money.

Just let the US keep a stable full of nukes as a deterrent.
And then Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania can pay Ukraine for Protection

Seriously, the whole point of NATO was to prevent Russia from running over Europe.
Ukraine has not had the assistance of any of NATOs advanced military capability
and yet Uke civilians are joking it up with broke down Russia tankers begging for fuel and food.
I think that assessment is incorrect. From what I'm hearing from 2nd hand sources we have boots on the ground.
 

TheChrome

Contributing Member
If it's a story by Reuters I would not call it proof of anything. As mentioned numerous times in this long thread, there's soooo much propaganda going on.
I posted earlier in this thread about the US involement
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Hfcomms

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View: https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1497916249988374529


JUST IN - Andriy Zagorodnyuk, former Ukrainian defense minister, says Belarus is about to declare war on Ukraine: "There is information about airborne troopers from Belarus loaded on the planes to enter Ukraine."


That would be a heck of an escalation that might bring other nations in. Hope that is just an assumption and not factual. Even yesterday the Belarus President said that he would host talks between Russia and Ukraine if they wished it.
 

somewherepress

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That would be a heck of an escalation that might bring other nations in. Hope that is just an assumption and not factual. Even yesterday the Belarus President said that he would host talks between Russia and Ukraine if they wished it.
Sure would be a big escalation. So much propaganda out there right now that it's difficult to tell what is real... We'll see...
 

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Literally there is an army of progressives doing this crap.

Not cool in my opinion.
Hey people good news I just got a new part time gig that pays great, for some reason its in Euro’s but who’s complaining.

By the way did you realize what a fantastic job Biden is doing, and doesn’t Pelosi’s office look keen. I am supposed to remind you that you are a white supremicist even if your not white. Gee some of these responses don’t make much sense but I am only on page 10 of the 2,000 page suggested response manual.

Did you know there is 150 pages on spotting anti semtic attacks but the first 25 are what organizations are excluded. Oh well should be posting a lot more have a qouta to make to make my boss the Furry happy.

:p
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Hey people good news I just got a new part time gig that pays great, for some reason its in Euro’s but who’s complaining.

By the way did you realize what a fantastic job Biden is doing, and doesn’t Pelosi’s office look keen. I am supposed to remind you that you are a white supremicist even if your not white. Gee some of these responses don’t make much sense but I am only on page 10 of the 2,000 page suggested response manual.

Did you know there is 150 pages on spotting anti semtic attacks but the first 25 are what organizations are excluded. Oh well should be posting a lot more have a qouta to make to make my boss the Furry happy.

:p
Look. You can make a living posting to TB2K.
 

Scrapman

Veteran Member
While everyday boris and Natasha defend there homeland. In the end the only thing they will have defended is the ability for the political class and there oligarchs to make off with the wealth of the country. This is true with most of the world at this point. Including the United States. It's a frigging joke.
 
I kind of freaked myself out as I broke it down. That is the danger of having a nearly photographic memory and being an information sponge. You start connecting things and realizing some disturbing parts of reality.
I agree. As a child I loved getting the coloring books that you first had to connect the dots to see what the object was that you got to color. That was fun when the picture/object was Bambi or a bunny or a flower ect.
As an adult, still having that passion for connecting the dots, not so much fun anymore.
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
What's most important here is that we (NATO) stay outta this. This fight goes back a long long way and these two parties need to settle it without our intervention. If my memory serves me correctly, I think Ukraine is the land of the Khazars? So.....ok......

It's a really really big mistake to poke at a really really pissed off bear.
The fight between the Russians and the Khazars goes back at least to the 8th century. In the 10th century the Kievan Rus (Vikings) arrived and kicked their ass so they went into hiding and spread further west. Today the best known of their descendants are the Rothschilds.

The Khazarian Mafia has existed all that time right up to today but have had to stay as anonymous as possible right up to having any mention of them scrubbed from history books as much as possible.
 
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ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
What are all these crap posts doin on the russian ivasion thread??
whether you think we should get involved or not RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE STILL INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED, CHILDREN, ELDERLY, YOUNG MEN FIGHTING TO DEFEND THIER COUNTRY AGAINST A SUPER POWER THEY CANNOT WIN AGAINST.

Show some respect for the people suffering tonight.
 
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Slydersan

Veteran Member
What are all these crap posts doin on the russian ivasion thread??
whether you think we should get involved or not RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE STILL INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED, CHILDREN, ELDERLY, YOUNG MEN FIGHTING TO DEFEND THIER COUNTRY AGAINST A SUPER POWER THEY CANNOT WIN AGAINST.

Show some respect for the people suffering tonight.

Thread drift....it's what this place is infamous for. Whether by design or just random, well I'll leave that up to you to decide.
 

SouthernBreeze

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CaryC

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I think the trend has been the more they automate the more stupid folks get. Mainly due to the fact that they are not having to focus on the basics now.

I actually say with the automation and such we are having more such goofs. The current crop of kids to a greater extent are dumber than a box of rocks when it comes to ability and common sense...
I'm running way behind I know, so this is bad late. But....

They put the auto stop in cars because people weren't paying attention, and this was to help them from having a wreck.

So now they are paying less attention, because the car will take care of it.
 

jpigott

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View: https://twitter.com/Faaytuks/status/1497923894933696514


Russia: Nuclear deterrence forces have been put on high alert following "aggressive statements" by NATO countries.

This is concerning to say the least. Hopefully he's just running his mouth. I bet U.S. intel keeping a close eye on RUS nuke force posture. If he sorties the subs out of ports and gets the TU 95s and 22s airborne or fuel trucks move toward the silos then we got a problem.
 

raven

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What are all these crap posts doin on the russian ivasion thread??
whether you think we should get involved or not RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE STILL INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED, CHILDREN, ELDERLY, YOUNG MEN FIGHTING TO DEFEND THIER COUNTRY AGAINST A SUPER POWER THEY CANNOT WIN AGAINST.

Show some respect for the people suffering tonight.
they seem to be at least holding their own and even . . . dare I say it, even winning.
they were never supposed to be able to withstand this long.

this whole conflict could redefine the entire balance of power and disintegrate the myth of the invincible Russian Super Power.
The don't appear to be Super Powerish.
 

Squid

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Thread drift....it's what this place is infamous for. Whether by design or just random, well I'll leave that up to you to decide.
I would say thread drift is typical of the longer running threads. But also the broader topic threads are likely seen by more people, I would assume most people don’t look at every topic but topics with broad appeal bring in broader views and then by its nature broader idea’s or contributions.

Whether they are appropriate to you is in a freedom (to a point) of speech

There are some here, and they likely know who they are, sometimes try to apply levity to the grimmer topics. I never apply ill intent or disrespect to anyone’s opinion, although I have pointed out a post or two that I felt was just establishment propaganda.

When any media like news or social media is no longer making me think but making me angry I walk away for a couple days to get resettled in perspective.

Amazing but every time I come back the same sad world is still here with new problems and even more moronic corrupt politicians.

With war and rumors of wars and stressors applied to all of us be at peace with your life and your family, I suspect things will continue to be both grim and tense in the days and weeks ahead.
 

raven

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Squid

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This is concerning to say the least. Hopefully he's just running his mouth. I bet U.S. intel keeping a close eye on RUS nuke force posture. If he sorties the subs out of ports and gets the TU 95s and 22s airborne or fuel trucks move toward the silos then we got a problem.
I do believe Russia has already put most or all available out to sea before the invasion began. If you follow Monkey Werx seems stepped anti sub work has been very active on the East Coast.

They have also stepped up bomber runs around Alaska probing US air defences and intercept times more in line with the cold war but this has been happening well before the Ukraine situation.

There are some increased readiness that is politically motivated to apply pressure to the west, but the things about nuclear weapons its not like a careless marine accidently discharging a weapon over the dmz, a mistake is no longer a mistake. This is the reason there are so many controls on launch. If it makes you feel any better the communication on launches likely pass through many computers so, we have that.
 

Squid

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Sarah Kendzior: "Trump was installed as the president of the United States in order to weaken the alliances that were preventing Putin from achieving his goals. Alliances like NATO, our relationship with our European partners...with Ukraine."
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1497874223246815236?t=oT-j-yRddY_Us82m7YLAKg&s=19
Bbbwwwaaaa

The demo’s and the state media apparatus must be seeing more poll hits on their handling of Ukraine. The its Trump or racism is they’re we got nothing card.
 

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Three days since the invasion began. In the past 24 hours, we have seen Russian advances in the north, south and east. Ground gained in the north has been particularly costly for Russian forces. My 3rd set of observations, noting the ongoing abundance of ambiguity. 1/24 Image

2/24 Superb reporting continues from many sources on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This includes @KofmanMichael @maxseddon @IAPonomarenko @RALee85 @shashj @DanLamothe @ikhurshudyan @McFaul @DefenceHQ @TheStudyofWar among many others.

3/24 The Russian campaign so far has been unimaginative and plodding. They are clearly seeking a low-cost victory, partly because they know they need to govern Ukraine if they are successful.

4/24 Russian airborne thrusts have demonstrated the inherent limitations of such operations. As @kofman has noted, these deep operations by light forces also don’t appear to be driven by sensible operational needs. Image

5/24 And the fact that the Russians, with an air force that is vastly bigger and more capable, did not achieve air superiority before the invasion is another telling factor in either Russian arrogance - or their lack of integration in the joint force.

6/24 At the same time, the Russian doctrinal preference for disrupting, degrading, or destroying adversary command and control through artillery, missile strikes, air strikes, cyber/electronic warfare, and ground combat does not appear to be working (yet).

7/24 There has been some online discussion, from social media but also from @DefenceHQ about Russian logistical problems. The reality is that in any large-scale advance by land forces, logistics is ALWAYS an issue.

8/24 We train our combat forces to be aggressive in the advance and to exploit opportunities where they find them. Sometimes this means they outrun the logistic support of even the best military organisations.

9/24 This will be part of why we are seeing armoured vehicles out of fuel, like this exchange. Image

10/24 Back to assumptions of a lightning war by the Russians - another factor in logistics might be that the Russians weighted the invasion force in favour of combat units in the hope of overwhelming and overawing the Ukrainians quickly. Hope is a bad planning assumption!

11/24 We should also not discount that the Russian forces are just not up to this task without resort to more traditional methods of methodical, highly destructive warfare. They may have to eschew their recent theoretical developments in warfare to be successful.

12/24 With the Russians advancing slowly on multiple fronts, their main effort seems to be the capture of Kyiv. Watch for second echelon forces, heavier artillery, air attacks, more infiltration attempts, cyber, influence & EW activities in support of this.

13/24 Their Ukrainian opponents have clearly planned and wargamed their overall defensive scheme of maneuver over many years. It appears to be methodical, disciplined with a clear sense of what is important to defend, and what is not.

14/24 Ukrainian leadership so far has been impressive. The President has provided a central, unifying presence for his people. He appears tired but functioning well, and he is maintaining a dialog with his people and the outside world. Image

15/24 In the coming days, the Ukrainian President however will need to make some very hard decisions on the defence of Kyiv, which is likely to be a very destructive and bloody urban fight. He will also need to decide on staying or going.

16/24 Neither are simple or easy decisions, and both will have a significant impact on the war and its outcome. And, potentially, any subsequent insurgency.

17/24 Military leadership in the Ukrainian forces so far has also stood the ultimate test of military leaders – combat. This has been in evidence from their senior leadership deploying military forces & keeping their people informed, to their tactical operations.

18/24 The Ukrainians have been masters in the use of strategic communications to provide transparency for the world about the Russian invasion. They have also provided inspiring stories, such as this heroic sapper, that provides the iron in the spine of soldiers & civilians. Image

19/24 Good leadership has always been a defining feature of successful combat forces. With their military leaders, the Ukrainians seem to have managed to sustain a good balance of what Andrew Gordon in ‘Rules of the Game’ called ‘ratcatchers’ and ‘regulators’.

20/24 The ratcatchers are the warfighters and combat leaders who have spent their lives dedicated to the study of war, combat and military leadership. They are the ones, at each level, who win wars.

21/24 The regulators are those who, in peacetime, maximise their promotion potential through the study of process, attendance at committees and focus on the bureaucratic side of military organisations. You need some of these in war and peace, but not too many.

22/24 It does help to have a clear and present threat to build and maintain the right balance of the two military leadership styles.

23/24 But my observation is that in many western military institutions (including my own), the regulators have been on the ascendant for many years. This must change if we are to successfully defend against the forces of high-tech authoritarian regimes in the years ahead.

24/24 My observations, part 3, ends. Sorry for the length of the thread! More tomorrow.

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A very good assesment in my opinion!
 
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