CORONA Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say

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Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Hilary Brueck Oct 4, 2021, 5:00 AM
Early on in the pandemic, Brazilians thought that ivermectin might also help treat and prevent COVID-19.
But, as one ICU doctor put it: "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

Many Brazilians used to spend about $30 a head on what they called the "kit COVID."

It was a mix of vitamins and other pills that President Jair Bolsonaro touted as early treatments for COVID-19, well before vaccines became widely available to prevent and minimize coronavirus infections.

Among the "kit" drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin.

Brazilian authorities even at one point launched an app, called TrateCov, (in English, an abbreviation of "treat COVID") which recommended the same seven "kit" drugs to all its users. (The evidence base for that protocol leaned heavily on data from Dr. Flávio Cadegiani, who's now a member of the FLCCC, a US-based ivermectin propaganda machine.)


But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1, or Gamma, variant spread quickly across the country.

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York, said. "Then wonder: If this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

Entire cities took ivermectin. It didn't work.

The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country.)

In July 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajaí, to the tune of about $826,000 in government spending. The mayor of Itajaí, the physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."

As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.

Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.

Ivermectin "prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," said Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious-disease and critical-care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection."

The use of ivermectin might have contributed to COVID deaths in other ways, researchers suspect, as some people who assumed they were well protected from infection by ivermectin tossed aside their masks.

"There was a political promotion behind it, to make people feel safe, so that they would continue with their regular life," Taschner said.

Hospitals in Manaus ran out of oxygen in January, as the area recorded one of the highest death rates in the world.

'I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU'

Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio, who works at a government hospital in Porto Alegre, Brazil, told Insider many of her ICU patients took ivermectin in the spring — some trying to prevent COVID-19, others "to early treat their first symptoms."

Their strategy didn't work.

In fact, Antonio estimated about 70% of her ICU patients said during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) that they had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.

She called the heartbreak of the situation "indescribable."

"I've never seen so many young and previously healthy patients dying," she said. "I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU for COVID-19."

Antonio was telling the wives of patients "my husband's age" with "children like mine" that their spouse was dead.

She worried about getting her own family sick, including her husband who wasn't a healthcare worker and therefore was ineligible for vaccination at the time. (He's now vaccinated, she said.)

Brazilians now want vaccines, not more ivermectin

Braziliinesans protest President Jair Bolsonaro, demanding vaccines and calling attention to the more than 200,000 people killed by the coronavirus in Brazil, on January 8 in Brasilia. (The current death toll from COVID-19 in the country is near 600,000

Attitudes about ivermectin have quickly changed in the months since then.

"In the absence of evidence, we'll try certain things," Akrami said. "But at this point in the pandemic, we really don't have any reason to continue prescribing ineffective medications for prophylaxis or treatment."

The "kit" which was once widely prescribed (and self-dosed) in Cuiaba, Macapá, Natal, and Manaus, is now being thrown out by the government. Brazil has a new health minister — a cardiologist who replaced a military general — and vaccines are more widely available.

"We've seen a huge decrease in the number of cases and the number of hospital admissions," Antonio said of the period since vaccinations began. "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

More than nine in 10 Brazilians say they've been vaccinated or intend to get their shots, according to a May poll.

"Across political divides, most people still are being rational and saying, 'I should get vaccinated to protect myself,'" Akrami said. "There's a pretty proud tradition of getting vaccinated here. It's kind of seen as like your civic duty."

Itajaí Mayor Morastoni's Facebook page is peppered with celebrations of vaccine milestones in his city and information on how and where to get vaccinated. (He hasn't mentioned ivermectin once on his page since vaccinations started being administered to healthcare workers in his city in January.)

"People are tired of all the lies and the manipulation and the promotion of miracle cures that they realize don't work," Taschner said.

It's possible ivermectin could one day play a small role in COVID-19 treatment, but it's not looking terribly promising

Major health agencies (including the World Health Organization and US National Institutes of Health) have yet to weigh in definitively on whether ivermectin works to prevent or treat COVID-19.

More conclusive studies are on the way, but the most recent rigorous research of ivermectin for COVID-19 doesn't look promising.

The Brazilian government has issued new protocols for COVID-19 treatment, which recommend against using ivermectin in hospitalized patients, because they say there isn't good evidence it does anything.

"It might look interesting," Antonio said, referencing studies showing that ivermectin can kill COVID-19 in a petri dish, "but in humans, you have plenty of complex pathways competing for the virus in your body."

It is still possible that, in combination with other drugs, the antiparasitic could be one item used in a multilayered system of treatment for COVID-19, perhaps to speed recovery in the early stages of disease.

But other early treatment options, like Merck's new pill, appear far more promising in human trials.

It is "to my surprise," Antonio said, that countries including the US and UK are "becoming crazy for" ivermectin now, with weekly prescriptions for the drug surging across the US since before the pandemic, according to August data from the CDC.

"I really thought it was exclusive Brazilian stuff," she said.

When fear and frustration abound, it's tempting to put one's faith in a simple pill or a kit that promises to erase all suffering.

But "we're not snake-oil salesmen anymore," Akrami said.

Instead, the best medical care today is informed by rigorous research that examines which treatments actually work to improve a patient's status.

"'What's the harm?' is usually the argument," Taschner said of the common refrains given for using unproven treatments like ivermectin. "The harm is it gives people a false impression of security. It makes them feel safe when they are not safe. It drives people away from what really makes them safe, and that's vaccination."

"Take a hard look at Brazil, realistically," she said, "and then come to your own conclusions."

This drives me right up the wall. We have enough anecdotal evidence in this country to indicate that Ivermectin works. Yet, the chronicle above says NO! And as for the India province that "proved' it worked, Word on the Street is that many Districts of the Province failed to report any deaths; Covid, suicide, auto accidents, none. That sure would make the ivermectin look good.

Brazil death rate is higher than ours and ivermectin was available to anybody who wanted it from Day One. I can only conclude that the average Brazilian has a co-morbidity that is doing him in...40 lbs of fat.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
Like anyone should believe the government or media. All I can say is covid came to my house and my wife and I took the protocol, and we haven't gotten covid. My son did. We treated him with the protocol and he recovered in 4 days. Really, he was good after day 2 but just very fatigued.
 
Don't know what to think. It does seem to help a lot of people here yet some don't get help from it
It sounds like the lies we would hear in the U.S.
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is not any kind of scientific study, just propaganda, specifically anti-ivermectin propaganda.

Two years into the worst pandemic ever; we have no serious studies of anything but the world continues to push a vax that hard data is showing clearly does not work.

Incompetence the world over or an evil plan?
 

energy_wave

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Businessinsider is not to be trusted.

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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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You know, I usually don’t look at who posted a thread until after I read the content. But after two paragraphs of the OP, I KNEW the member posting was Troke. I scrolled up slightly, and there he was. He’s the absolute KING of status quo and “conventional” whatever, be it politics or medicine. It gets old, Troke.
 
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Chance

Veteran Member
Just another hit piece. Pushing another new covid pharmaceutical drug. (Did Merck write this?)

One example - The part about people who took ivermectin felt so protected that they 'threw their masks away' and so they all died. Yah, right.. Everyone (meaning researchers, doctors, etc) knows masks never did protect against this virus.

We'll, we certainly didn't get the rigorous research or informed anything for mRNA or coronavirus vaccines...that doesn't come with EUA.

Added...guess the author's didn't see the Uttar Pradesh, Dr. Campbell study done with millions of people in India.
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
You know, I usually don’t look at who posted a thread until after I read the content. But after two paragraphs or the OP, I KNEW the member posting was Troke. I scrolled up slightly, and there he was. He’s the absolute KING of status quo and “conventional” whatever, be it politics or medicine. It gets old, Troke.

Isn't he like in his 80's or 90's? If so then this is exactly what I expect of that generation. My grandmother was a lot like him, whatever the politicians and doctors said was absolute gospel, ditto for the MSM, one did NOT question the motives of the late great Walter Kronkite (sp?) whom my father said was a closeted communist.
 

PrairieMoon

Veteran Member
If I researched correctly, Business Insider's owner/parent company is the same as Politico. A German owner. It reads like a hit piece; lots of vague, unsubstantiated comments designed to instill doubt on a certain treatment/preventative option.

Does it surprise anyone that Brazil's death rate is higher than the US? I mean, really?

This disease has been a beast! Despite IVM, despite vaccination, despite quarantine attempts, people have died. We should have the right to try to do what we can to prevent it and reduce symptoms. That what IVM and supplements offer. Our traditional docs have offered nothing...nothing! Until the vaccine came and then it was still the only option. (altho monoclonal antibodies were a terrific intervention, probably not very effective against omicron - not sure tho)

Yes, many folks opted not to vaccinate. Some died; some didn't. I don't believe the booster is the answer. Pretty obvious, looking at Israel and Great Britain. Omicron is going to infect almost everyone. It's the nature of this variant.

The hope now is that herd immunity will NATURALLY occur, and will protect us from the future variants that will undoubtably come, with hope that they will continue to be less of a health risk as the original strain and the delta. But no more boosters. That is not the answer.
 

Groucho

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You know, I usually don’t look at who posted a thread until after I read the content. But after two paragraphs of the OP, I KNEW the member posting was Troke. I scrolled up slightly, and there he was. He’s the absolute KING of status quo and “conventional” whatever, be it politics or medicine. It gets old, Troke.
Ding ding ding...... Thanks Dennis. When you wrote that, I went back, looked, and thought, "fooled me again." Shame on me.
 
You know, I usually don’t look at who posted a thread until after I read the content. But after two paragraphs of the OP, I KNEW the member posting was Troke. I scrolled up slightly, and there he was. He’s the absolute KING of status quo and “conventional” whatever, be it politics or medicine. It gets old, Troke.
I feel better now. Thanks. I didn't realize.
 

Gardener

Senior Member
Doesn't this article about Brazil say exactly the opposite?

Large, Peer-Reviewed Research Study Proves Ivermectin Works Against COVID-19 | ZeroHedge

Researchers in Brazil found that regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic agent was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization and mortality rates.
The study was conducted in Itajaí, a port city in the state of Santa Catarina, between July and December 2020. Study authors include FLCCC physicians Dr. Flavio Cadegiani and Dr. Pierre Kory. Lead author Dr. Lucy Kerr was approached by the mayor of Itajaí, after the city began to experience a severe outbreak of COVID.

The entire population of Itajaí was invited to participate in the program, which involved a medical visit to compile baseline, personal, demographic, and medical information. In the absence of contraindications, ivermectin was offered as a preventative treatment, to be taken for two consecutive days every 15 days at a dose of 0.2 mg/kg/day.
Of the 223,128 citizens of Itajaí considered for the study, a total of 159,561 subjects elected to participate: over 70% opted to take ivermectin, and 23% chose not to.

Reduced infection and hospitalization rates
The study found a 44% reduction in COVID-19 infection rate in favor of the group that took ivermectin (3.5% versus 8.2%).
In cases where a participating citizen of Itajaí became ill with COVID-19, they were recommended not to use ivermectin or any other medication in early outpatient treatment. Of those who did become infected, two equal-sized, highly matched groups (one that used ivermectin as a prophylaxis and one that did not) were compared. The regular use of preventative ivermectin led to a 68% reduction in COVID-19 mortality (0.8% versus 2.6%), and a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate (1.6% versus 3.3%).
The regular use of preventative ivermectin led to a reduction in COVID-19 infection, hospitalization and mortality.Study methods
Since vaccines were not available at the time, and few prophylactic alternatives existed in the absence of vaccines, Itajaí initiated a population-wide government program for COVID-19 prophylaxis. This was a prospective observational study that allowed subjects to self-select between treatment vs. non-treatment. The use of ivermectin was optional and based on patients’ preferences, given its benefits as a preventative agent was unproven.
To ensure the safety of the population, a computer program was developed to compile and maintain all relevant demographic and clinical data. All subjects were weighed to be able to accurately calculate the correct dose of ivermectin. In addition, a brief medical evaluation was conducted to record past medical history, comorbidities, use of medications and contraindications to drugs.

The following variables were analyzed and adjusted as confounding factors or used for balancing and matching groups for propensity score matching:
  • Age
  • Sex
  • Previous diseases (myocardial infarction and stroke)
  • Pre-existing comorbidities (type 2 diabetes, asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, hypertension, dyslipidemia, cardiovascular diseases, cancer [any type], and other pulmonary diseases)
  • Smoking
Patients who presented signs or the diagnosis of COVID-19 before July 7, 2020, were excluded from the sample. Other exclusion criteria included contraindications to ivermectin and age (subjects below 18 years of age were excluded).
During the study, subjects who were diagnosed with COVID-19 underwent a specific medical visit to assess clinical manifestations and disease severity. All subjects with symptoms were recommended not to use ivermectin, nitazoxanide, hydroxychloroquine, spironolactone, or any other drug claimed to be effective against COVID-19. The city did not provide or support any specific pharmacological outpatient treatment for subjects infected with COVID-19.

Intriguing findings
Interestingly, the group who self-selected to take ivermectin was older and had more comorbidities than the group who opted for no treatment. These results show that prophylactic ivermectin may be a mitigating factor in groups with higher risk of morbidity.

The results show prophylactic ivermectin may be a mitigating factor for high-risk groups.


The belief that preventative and early treatment therapies would cause people to relax their caution of remaining socially distanced, leading to more COVID-19-related infections, is not supported here.
The data demonstrate that using preventative ivermectin significantly lowers the infection rate, and that benefits outweigh the speculated increased risk of changes in social behaviors.
 
Isn't he like in his 80's or 90's? If so then this is exactly what I expect of that generation. My grandmother was a lot like him, whatever the politicians and doctors said was absolute gospel, ditto for the MSM, one did NOT question the motives of the late great Walter Kronkite (sp?) whom my father said was a closeted communist.
Your Dad was right.......Walter Cronkite was a "globalist"......my wife and I both used ivermectin to treat our Covid.....worked.....I will..if lucky...kiss 80 years on earth sometime this year.............I think I am 27.....my humor level is that of a 12 year old.....and my body keeps asking me "why arn't you dead yet".....LOL
 

Troke

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One is a study on a drug and one is propaganda pie... er uhh news article from a lefty owned site.
Problem. So many people died that the masses demanded that the President be impeached for Crimes Against Humanity or some such for failing to support vaccination. . A Committee was fired up and gee, they found he had a financial interest in the drugs he was pushing. So now they are after him for fraud.

Meanwhile they got all those corpses ands ivermectin was available for anybody that wanted it. And they eagerly used it and all they got was corpses.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
This forum reminds me of somebody I used to work for. He could be in a meeting in his office with some of his peers from other companies and some good buddies.

And you come crashing through the door, accompanied by screaming fire alarms and billowing clouds of smoke. And you yell: You gotta get out of here. The building is on fire!

And he gives the patented TB2K response: Why is that person trying to humiliate me before my friends?
 

Hurricanehic

Veteran Member
During the study, subjects who were diagnosed with COVID-19 underwent a specific medical visit to assess clinical manifestations and disease severity. All subjects with symptoms were recommended not to use ivermectin, nitazoxanide, hydroxychloroquine, spironolactone, or any other drug claimed to be effective against COVID-19. The city did not provide or support any specific pharmacological outpatient treatment for subjects infected with COVID-19.

Intriguing findings
Interestingly, the group who self-selected to take ivermectin was older and had more comorbidities than the group who opted for no treatment. These results show
The belief that preventative and early treatment therapies would cause people to relax their caution of remaining socially distanced, leading to more COVID-19-related infections, is not supported here.

The data demonstrate that using preventative ivermectin significantly lowers the infection rate, and that benefits outweigh the speculated increased risk of changes in social behaviors.
 
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subnet

Boot
Problem. So many people died that the masses demanded that the President be impeached for Crimes Against Humanity or some such for failing to support vaccination. . A Committee was fired up and gee, they found he had a financial interest in the drugs he was pushing. So now they are after him for fraud.

Meanwhile they got all those corpses ands ivermectin was available for anybody that wanted it. And they eagerly used it and all they got was corpses.
What protocol/dosing was used?
See, that article fails on every level, to provide any real info, its just opinion.
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Problem. So many people died that the masses demanded that the President be impeached for Crimes Against Humanity or some such for failing to support vaccination. . A Committee was fired up and gee, they found he had a financial interest in the drugs he was pushing. So now they are after him for fraud.

Meanwhile they got all those corpses ands ivermectin was available for anybody that wanted it. And they eagerly used it and all they got was corpses.

Wait. Are you talking about fauci or the president of brazil?
Your article is an opinion piece, where are the studies that support its conclusion?
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
I thought "the pill" has ivermectin in it. So does that mean "the pill" will not work either?
We have an unending supply of contradictory info.

Fair use

NextDoctors Must be Honest with Parents About Known Risks of COVID-19


Clinical TrialsPharmaceuticalsScience and Medicine
Pfizer’s new COVID-19 protease inhibitor drug is not just “repackaged ivermectin”
Pfizer recently announced that its new protease inhibitor-based drug was 89% effective in preventing hospitalization due to COVID-19 and it is seeking an emergency use authorization for it from the FDA. Antivaxxers claim that ivermectin targets the same protease and is being “suppressed” to protect Pfizer’s profits from the new drug. What’s the real story? Hint: Antivaxxers took a grain of truth and—shall we say?—exaggerated. A lot.
David Gorski on November 15, 2021


Last week, Steve Novella discussed announcements of drugs that, unlike the “miracle cures” (primarily hydroxychloroquine in 2020 and ivermectin this year) that have been promoted so heavily on social media, actually have evidence for their efficacy against COVID-19. Specifically, he mentioned Pfizer’s new drug Paxlovid, which in its clinical trials was 89% effective in preventing hospitalization due to COVID-19 if taken soon after symptoms develop. The other drug was Merck’s molnupiravir (trade name to be Lagevrio), which is now available through a clinical trial in the UK. Both drugs are very promising, and the Pfizer drug (a combination of PF-07321332 and ritonavir—more on why it’s a combination later—before it received a trade name), for example, decreased the hospitalization rate from 7% to 0.8% over 28 days in a Phase 2/3 study, which Steve correctly described as a “good absolute and relative risk reduction”, with no deaths in the drug treatment arm. (It was so good that Pfizer stopped the study, because it would be unethical to continue with such a result in an interim analysis.) As a result, Pfizer has applied for an emergency use authorization for its drug. In an interim analysis of a phase 3 study, the Merck drug demonstrated a 50% reduction in hospitalization, again with no deaths in the treatment arm.
Unsurprisingly, COVID-19 conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers are not pleased. This is why they seem to have come up with one of the sillier claims that I’ve seen thus far, although I must admit that it’s not obvious how silly they are if you don’t have a background in drug development and some specific knowledge about ivermectin and the Pfizer drug. (That’s rather the point.) Here are a couple of representative Tweets. I could post a whole bunch of them, but will restrain myself:
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Wait. Are you talking about fauci or the president of brazil?
Your article is an opinion piece, where are the studies that support its conclusion?
President of Brazil.

Don't need no steenking studies. Just count the corpses. They have more per 1,000 than we got. And they were eating ivermectin like candy. At least the states were buying them by the millions. Or over the counter at the drug store, like aspirin.

Something does not compute here. We got lots of anecdotal evidence showing Iv works on an individual basis. But make it country wide and they got disaster to the point the people were ready the hang the Pres. because he was the one that pushed it.

I can only think they were using Chinese ivermectin.
 
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