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Jubilee on Earth

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Also, what is the news about that couple that was in Hawaii in early February that tested positive? No new updates about that. I have friends who were in Maui the same time they were, and still no info was given about which hotel they stayed or where they might have gone.
 

WanderLore

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Trying to drink some coffee and get the Cliffs notes version of the last several pages.
I have family all over Florida too, from the Keys to the top. No one is taking this serious per report. Hospitals are full. It's the tourist season and Daytona, and then spring break coming up.
There are most likely cases, but swamped by flu and other illnesses. I'm doubting anything being released due to economic concerns.
Time will tell for sure.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Are we safe in assuming it's the same 10 that could handle ebola? If so, I know I posted info on them into the ebola threads, sometime within the last 18 months. :snicker: guess that isn't much help eh? will keep that in mind though, and update this post if I run across the info.

BAD assumption.

There are 24 beds TOTAL that can handle BSL-4 patients (Ebola) all over the US.

Neg Pressure rooms are NOT BSL-4 beds.
 

EMICT

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BAD assumption.

There are 24 beds TOTAL that can handle BSL-4 patients (Ebola) all over the US.

Neg Pressure rooms are NOT BSL-4 beds.

Those are the treatment hospitals designated by the CDC. There are BSL-4 assessment hospitals certified by the CDC that increases those numbers significantly. The only difference between assessment and treatment is the designation by the CDC where a patient may end up, not with the ability to treat BSL-4 patients.
 

20Gauge

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New Estimates Suggest Chinese Tech Shipments Are About To Crash

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by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Wednesday, 02/19/2020 - 23:25

Now that Apple has opened the floodgates and made it entirely clear that China's economic collapse will slash revenue guidance on the year and lead to production woes through April, an onslaughter of earnings downgrades from other top technology companies with significant operations in China could be imminent.

Evidence grows by the day of supply chains grinding to a halt as the second-largest economy in the world falters (as described here last week)...



We've described how China's economic output remains frozen, and even if supply chains were able to restart, companies don't have enough capital to cover wages, or have delayed or stopped paying workers, suggesting that the Covid-19 outbreak has left businesses on the brink of disaster. Worse, workers can't freely move around the country, and many are subjected to travel restrictions and quarantines, which has forced a massive labor shortage.


This is creating a perfect storm that could lead to an extended period of depressed factory output, triggering future shortages of products destined for Eastern and Western markets, and even more ripples across global supply chains.
As we've routinely noted in the last several weeks, the most exposed sector to the continued crunch across Chinese factories is technology.


Putting what we've already summarized together, there's no way that full production can be seen by the end of this month or in early March, which means a massive reduction in shipments and product shortages are imminent. This will ultimately force many tech companies with exposure to China to revise their full-year earnings on the year.
TrendForce published a report earlier this week that serves as a preview of what's to come for technology shipments.
The research firm said shipments of smartwatches, smartphones, computers, monitors, TVs, video game consoles, smart speakers, and automobiles, will take a big hit in the first quarter.



Here's what the firm said about shipments for smartwatches, smart bracelets, and TWS Bluetooth earphones:

TrendForce said the virus outbreak is having a "high impact on the smartphone industry because the smartphone supply chain is highly labor-intensive. 1Q20 smartphone production is projected to decline by 12% YoY, making it the quarter with the lowest output within the past five years."

As for notebooks, LCD monitors, and LCD TVs, these supply chains have been "undoubtedly hit the most by the coronavirus outbreak."

We expect a waterfall of negative earnings preannouncements to start for many technology companies with modest exposure to Chinese output. Apple's downgrade on Monday was only the beginning...

Wall Street has priced the stock market for perfection while ignoring China's virus crisis as one of the biggest shocks to hit the global economy since a decade ago.


Is the virus outbreak in China about to pop the Fed-induced stock market bubble?

Apple should have reported revised earnings a month ago... a blind monkey could have seen it coming. Then again it may have been a case of executives needing time to sell stocks.
 

20Gauge

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The mechanisms of death from a viral infection can be very similar regardless of the underlying virus. It is helpful to understand how a virus produces illness in a person and how that infection can progress to the point of being fatal.

Yet to say 'no need to worry about Virus X because we already have deaths from Influenza' is … at minimum whistling past the graveyard. And if we get epidemic levels of Virus X here, the graveyard may require a long whistle to get past. We do not know, we cannot know, but telling less than the truth as it is known is but small comfort, to me at least. YMMV of course.
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Warning for parents: Child flu deaths hit record high for this time of year




Child flu deaths on the rise

By: Debbie Lord, Cox Media Group National Content Desk
Updated: January 9, 2020 - 9:14 AM

This year’s flu season has been especially deadly for children, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said, with 27 children dying from flu complications nationwide through the end of December.

That is the highest number of child deaths from influenza at this point in any season in the past 16 years, the CDC says.

The number of deaths for children under age 18 is more than twice the number of 2017-2018 pediatric deaths from influenza. That flu season was considered one of the worst on record with 187 children dead from influenza by the end of the season.

The CDC reports that “widespread” flu activity has been seen in 45 states and Puerto Rico, and that, unusually, the flu virus Influenza B has been the dominant strain of flu seen this season.

Doctors say children are particularly susceptible to influenza B. Adults contract influenza B less often, as many adults gain immunity from that flu strain since the virus does not change much from year to year, the CDC says.

The fact that B strains are being seen this early does not bode well for the rest of the season."Hopefully, this turns around and comes down, but if it continues on the trajectory it’s on, it’s not going to be good," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN.

Flu season started early this year, and so far, it does not appear to have peaked as more cases of A strains – H1N1 and H3N2 – of flu are being seen. In most years, A strains come early in the season and B strains follow.

Even more concerning is that while the flu vaccine seems to be a good match for the A strain of the flu, this season’s flu shot does not look like a good match for the B Victoria flu, according to the CDC.

However, CDC officials stress that it is better to get a flu vaccination even if it is not as effective against the current dominant strain. The shot, doctors say, can lessen flu complications even if it does not prevent you from getting the flu.

It is not too late to get the vaccination, CDC officials said. It takes about two weeks after receiving the shot for the body to build the antibodies necessary to fight the virus. The vaccines protect against two strains of influenza A virus and two strains of influenza B.

At least 6.4 million flu-related illnesses, 55,000 flu-related hospitalizations and 2,900 deaths from the flu have been recorded so far this season, the CDC reported.

Symptoms of the flu include:

  • Fever, which may be as high as 103°F to 105°F
  • Body aches, which may be severe
  • Headache
  • Sore throat
  • Cough that gets worse
  • Tiredness
  • Runny or stuffy nose

The last week of December saw these flu activity levels:

  • High level – The District of Columbia, New York City, Puerto Rico, and these 34 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin
  • Moderate level – Nine states: Florida, Maine, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming
  • Low level – Five states: Hawaii, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, and Nevada
  • Minimal –Two states: Delaware and Idaho

VIVIAN, LA - DECEMBER 12: With a temperature of 103.8, Asa Moore, 6, of Vivian, Louisiana is examined by John Messier, a physician's assistant, at the North Caddo Surgical and Medical Center for symptoms of Influenza December 12, 2003 in Vivian, Louisiana. Moore had not received a flu shot and the medical center was out of the vaccine.'s assistant, at the North Caddo Surgical and Medical Center for symptoms of Influenza December 12, 2003 in Vivian, Louisiana. Moore had not received a flu shot and the medical center was out of the vaccine.


VIVIAN, LA - DECEMBER 12: With a temperature of 103.8, Asa Moore, 6, of Vivian, Louisiana is examined by John Messier, a physician's assistant, at the North Caddo Surgical and Medical Center for symptoms of Influenza December 12, 2003 in Vivian, Louisiana. Moore had not received a flu shot and the medical center was out of the vaccine. (Photo by Mario Villafuerte/Getty Images/Getty Images)

I have said it before and will continue to say it. You don't shut down a country of 1.5 billion for a case of the FLU going around. People will argue that only a 1/3 or 1/2 of the country is shut down, but it is effectively totally shut down as nothing of significance is leaving or arriving....

2nd issue: Georgia has been hit really hard this year by the normal Flu. It seems like 1/4 is sick or getting sick or just got over being sick. Furthermore, it doesn't seem to be stopping.

I really worry that the China Flu will take hold and really cause some issues in a month or three.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I have said it before and will continue to say it. You don't shut down a country of 1.5 billion for a case of the FLU going around. People will argue that only a 1/3 or 1/2 of the country is shut down, but it is effectively totally shut down as nothing of significance is leaving or arriving....

2nd issue: Georgia has been hit really hard this year by the normal Flu. It seems like 1/4 is sick or getting sick or just got over being sick. Furthermore, it doesn't seem to be stopping.

I really worry that the China Flu will take hold and really cause some issues in a month or three.

One of the guys in a video (forget which one) made the point that it is actually about one-tenth of the entire world’s population that is under restrictions of one kind or another in China. That’s not counting other locations such as the city in Iran, which was not yet under restrictions when that video was made.

Kathleen
 

Sub-Zero

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx7KtkoadRY
51:23 min
War RoomPandemic Ep 20 (Steve Bannon)
So, just speculating here, but, what if you're a dictatorial country. And, what if you have a population of 1.5 billion, or so. And, what if you decided that several hundred million of that population is too expensive to maintain because being a socialist country, you pay for their housing, medical care, food, et cetera. And, what if you had a way of separating the workers from the useless eaters, say a holiday where the workers all went away from the population centers. And what if then you decided to release a virus with a high kill rate in these population centers while the workers were away. But what if it wasn't spreading fast enough so you decide to seal up apartment buildings that have a few cases and then don't feed them; it wouldn't be long before they'd be too sick to do anything about it. And, what if you also take healthy people and lock them up with those who are contagious in "hospitals" built in less than a month and soccer stadiums but don't actually provide medical care for them. And, what if you prevented the workers from traveling back to the population centers until the crisis was over so that they wouldn't catch the virus and die. And, what if instead of cleaning the bodies and infectious diseases out the buildings, you had new cities for the workers to move to. What if you wanted, as a country, to provide the facade that you're a first world country and that your cities are all new and shiny (and not some steaming third world shit hole).

Oh, but what if the disease got out of your control?
 

20Gauge

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One of the guys in a video (forget which one) made the point that it is actually about one-tenth of the entire world’s population that is under restrictions of one kind or another in China. That’s not counting other locations such as the city in Iran, which was not yet under restrictions when that video was made.

Kathleen
I never looked at it that way, but it only reinforces the idea that something else is going on that they are not telling us if they quarantine one in ten for the FLU?
 

SusieSunshine

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So even though more of those evacuees came down with it, they are released into the area. :(

"Members of the first group of evacuees are set to be released if they did not show any symptoms or test positive for the virus.
The evacuees are among 1,000 people, which include American citizens, residents, and their family members, who returned to the United States from China’s Hubei Province, where the new, respiratory illness was first detected.
JBSA-Lackland, Methodist Hospital Texsan, and the Texas Center for Infectious Disease are being used in the local response procedures.
A total of 235 people were quarantined at JBSA-Lackland."
 
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Seeker22

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So, just speculating here, but, what if you're a dictatorial country. And, what if you have a population of 1.5 billion, or so. And, what if you decided that several hundred million of that population is too expensive to maintain because being a socialist country, you pay for their housing, medical care, food, et cetera. And, what if you had a way of separating the workers from the useless eaters, say a holiday where the workers all went away from the population centers. And what if then you decided to release a virus with a high kill rate in these population centers while the workers were away. But what if it wasn't spreading fast enough so you decide to seal up apartment buildings that have a few cases and then don't feed them; it wouldn't be long before they'd be too sick to do anything about it. And, what if you also take healthy people and lock them up with those who are contagious in "hospitals" built in less than a month and soccer stadiums but don't actually provide medical care for them. And, what if you prevented the workers from traveling back to the population centers until the crisis was over so that they wouldn't catch the virus and die. And, what if instead of cleaning the bodies and infectious diseases out the buildings, you had new cities for the workers to move to. What if you wanted, as a country, to provide the facade that you're a first world country and that your cities are all new and shiny (and not some steaming third world shit hole).

Oh, but what if the disease got out of your control?

Take that tin foil off your head and use it to cover the casserole. And give yourself ten lashes for being right on the money.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
It appears to me that:
THE PEOPLE WITH THE POWER TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO TO LIMIT THE SPREAD OF COVID19 *NEED TO BE HIGHLY TRAINED, INFECTION CONTROL SPECIALISTS,
*NOT POLITICIANS, or political leaders
*NOT MERE PHYSICIANS,
*NOT BUSINESS LEADERS,
*NOT OWNERS OF CRUISE SHIPS, FACTORIES,
*NOT BANKERS or financial advisors
*NOT RELIGIOUS LEADERS
*NOT BY UNINFORMED, IGNORANT, POLICE AND MILITARY FORCE
*NOT BY POPULAR VOTE OF THE PEOPLE
*NOT THE WILL OF THE SICK OR DYING
*NOT THE WILL OF THE ENDANGERED POPULATIONS
*NOT THE WILL OF THE DEFEATIST NIHILISTS
*NOT THE WILL OF THE IGNORANT, PERENNIAL OPTIMISTS.
*NOT BY (untrained in infection control) “HEALTH DEPARTMENT” EMPLOYEES WHO AREN’T UNDER CLOSE ORDERS OF highly trained INFECTION CONTROL SPECIALISTS
(Isolate and wash your hands is NOT “ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW”)

And those who aren’t infected ought to be somehow encouraged to start participating in continuous disinfecting of public surfaces of buses, elevators, handrails, doorknobs, waiting rooms, grocery carts, gas pumps, cashier areas, display cases, counters, public restrooms, whatever people in public must or do touch a lot.
 
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Hfcomms

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Folks, keep an eye on your social media for news and clues. I have one friend whose granddaughter is in the ICU for “viral pneumonia” and another friend whose niece has been in the hospital for the flu and also got transferred to ICU. I know it’s a bad flu year, especially for kids. But it’s all something to keep an eye on.


FWIW the Corona virus up to this point is not infecting very many children at all. It’s going mostly for us older people and especially those that already have comorbidities. Chances are these ill children are getting hit with common flu.
 

Trivium Pursuit

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And if you watch Chris Martinson's update where he discusses what happened with the cruise ship in Japan, I think you have no doubt as to the incompetence of the Japanese in this matter.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Take that tin foil off your head and use it to cover the casserole. And give yourself ten lashes for being right on the money.
It's just some what ifs. But, others would be, what if that country has a vaccine and will administer it when the time is right and has amazing production capacity (almost enough to make one think that they have been producing it for months instead of days)? What if this country then sells the vaccine and the rights to it for a huge sum of money, or power, or removal of tariffs?
 

bcingu

Senior Member
Folks, keep an eye on your social media for news and clues.

NE Kansas here just had an 8 year girl pass from the "flu".

One of the guys in a video (forget which one) made the point that it is actually about one-tenth of the entire world’s population that is under restrictions of one kind or another in China. That’s not counting other locations such as the city in Iran, which was not yet under restrictions when that video was made.
Kathleen

I would juat like to point out, China is 1.5 Billion and the earth's total population is 7.5 Billion. We know that China has approximately 900,000 people in quarantine or restricted movements. Couple that with N. Korea, Iran, etc.. it's more like 1/7 or 1/6. I know semantics. But 1/10 doesn't sound near as bad as 1/7.

FWIW the Corona virus up to this point is not infecting very many children at all. It’s going mostly for us older people and especially those that already have comorbidities. Chances are these ill children are getting hit with common flu.
HF Comms

I would like to remind everyone of the protocols for administering the covi19 test. Been to China, been in contact with someone who just returned from China, etc... they will not test just because. Therefore, we cannot be positive it isn't Covid19. I believe parameters of the protocol were set this way to mask the initial cases of Covid 19 here in the U.S. to buy time.
 
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Jubilee on Earth

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FWIW the Corona virus up to this point is not infecting very many children at all. It’s going mostly for us older people and especially those that already have comorbidities. Chances are these ill children are getting hit with common flu.

How do we know it’s not infecting children? I haven’t seen any stats out of China regarding demographics of infected people or deaths. We can’t assume anything at this point.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
In my mind
Quarantine is when you have it or may have it.
Self-isolation is when you are trying to avoid it.
It's all just semantics any way, just different words to describe the behavior. :chg:
The word you use to define something has a great deal of influence over how you react or behave.
it is like the difference between having sex, making love, or rape. All three describe the fundamental act involved. Yet they all mean something different.
When you are quarantined, someone else is doing something to you that you do not want because there is the real possibility that you will kill them. Our genetic memory tells us that when someone says the word quarantine, we should run the other way.
When you isolate yourself, one of the words used is "cloistered". Nuns do it. Monks do it. Cults do it. They are preventing even casual contact with the outside world to prevent being contaminated with "sin". When you hear the word "cloister", your natural reaction is disdain because you know that they are protecting themselves from you - how dare they - lets go and visit them. Kind of the same reaction people have when you tell them you are a prepper and have 20 years of food storage and 10 thousand rounds of ammo.
 

Zagdid

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Apple should have reported revised earnings a month ago... a blind monkey could have seen it coming. Then again it may have been a case of executives needing time to sell stocks.
Been checking for info and there is a certain reluctance to disclose anything negative. There are situations like cargo ships with infected crews being held offshore. Many refused docking with or without health certificate. The general projection sees a delay until April, but this is certainly optimistic. Dead workers do not return to the work force.
 

Trivium Pursuit

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It appears to me that:
THE PEOPLE WITH THE POWER TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO TO LIMIT THE SPREAD OF COVID19 *NEED TO BE HIGHLY TRAINED, INFECTION CONTROL SPECIALISTS,
*NOT POLITICIANS, or political leaders
*NOT MERE PHYSICIANS,
*NOT BUSINESS LEADERS,
*NOT OWNERS OF CRUISE SHIPS, FACTORIES,
*NOT BANKERS or financial advisors
*NOT RELIGIOUS LEADERS
*NOT BY UNINFORMED, IGNORANT, POLICE AND MILITARY FORCE
*NOT BY POPULAR VOTE OF THE PEOPLE
*NOT THE WILL OF THE SICK OR DYING
*NOT THE WILL OF THE ENDANGERED POPULATIONS
*NOT THE WILL OF THE DEFEATIST NIHILISTS
*NOT THE WILL OF THE IGNORANT, PERENNIAL OPTIMISTS.
*NOT BY (untrained in infection control) “HEALTH DEPARTMENT” EMPLOYEES WHO AREN’T UNDER CLOSE ORDERS OF highly trained INFECTION CONTROL SPECIALISTS
(Isolate and wash your hands is NOT “ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW”)

And those who aren’t infected ought to be somehow encouraged to start participating in continuous disinfecting of public surfaces of buses, elevators, handrails, doorknobs, waiting rooms, grocery carts, gas pumps, cashier areas, display cases, counters, public restrooms, whatever people in public must or do touch a lot.
Chris martenson said something brilliant about this period not a perfect "but it was something along the lines of this: "This virus moves too fast for official policy to keep up with it."
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It appears to me that:
THE PEOPLE WITH THE POWER TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO TO LIMIT THE SPREAD OF COVID19 *NEED TO BE HIGHLY TRAINED, INFECTION CONTROL SPECIALISTS,
*NOT POLITICIANS, or political leaders
*NOT MERE PHYSICIANS,
*NOT BUSINESS LEADERS,
*NOT OWNERS OF CRUISE SHIPS, FACTORIES,
*NOT BANKERS or financial advisors
*NOT RELIGIOUS LEADERS
*NOT BY UNINFORMED, IGNORANT, POLICE AND MILITARY FORCE
*NOT BY POPULAR VOTE OF THE PEOPLE
*NOT THE WILL OF THE SICK OR DYING
*NOT THE WILL OF THE ENDANGERED POPULATIONS
*NOT THE WILL OF THE DEFEATIST NIHILISTS
*NOT THE WILL OF THE IGNORANT, PERENNIAL OPTIMISTS.
*NOT BY (untrained in infection control) “HEALTH DEPARTMENT” EMPLOYEES WHO AREN’T UNDER CLOSE ORDERS OF highly trained INFECTION CONTROL SPECIALISTS
(Isolate and wash your hands is NOT “ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW”)

And those who aren’t infected ought to be somehow encouraged to start participating in continuous disinfecting of public surfaces of buses, elevators, handrails, doorknobs, waiting rooms, grocery carts, gas pumps, cashier areas, display cases, counters, public restrooms, whatever people in public must or do touch a lot.
And produce. What about produce? I was getting some the other day and realized I and everybody else pick it up and test it for ripeness. What to do?
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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China changes method of counting virus infected… again

China said Thursday it has again changed the method of counting patients with the novel coronavirus and will now include only those diagnosed by sophisticated laboratory testing.


It is the second time in just eight days that the country has revised its criteria — a move that could muddle statistics and complicate efforts to track the spread of the illness.


Chinese health officials last week said patients from Hubei province and its capital Wuhan — the epicentre of the outbreak — who had been diagnosed via clinical methods including lung imaging would be added to the count in addition to those confirmed by lab studies.


This led to a huge one-day increase in the number of confirmed cases — 14,840 — on February 13.


The change was made due to a backlog of patients awaiting nucleic acid tests whose condition was deteriorating, said Wang Guiqiang, chief physician at Peking University First Hospital in Beijing.


“Patients needed active treatment,” he said.


“Now the situation in Hubei has changed… There is no backlog of patients who need nucleic acid testing, and we can now quickly test all suspected or undiagnosed cases.”


The latest revision comes as China on Thursday reported the biggest drop in new cases of the virus in nearly a month, with 394 more infections nationwide.


In Hubei officials said they were re-tallying downward by 279 the number of cases previously reported in provincial cities after some patients diagnosed using lung imaging later tested negative in nucleic acid studies.


The death toll across China meanwhile jumped to 2,118 after 114 new deaths were reported — most in Hubei.

 
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