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coalcracker
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I understand.
Some are poets while others are mathematicians.
Likely that the numbers are going to be startling by the end of this. Hard to think in such potentially large numbers.
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Eunice YoonVerified account @onlyyoontv now25 seconds ago
China Considers Cash Injections, Mergers to Bail Out Airlines https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-02-19/china-said-to-mull-cash-injections-mergers-to-bail-out-airlines …
China Considers Cash Injections, Mergers to Bail Out Airlines https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-02-19/china-said-to-mull-cash-injections-mergers-to-bail-out-airlines …
bw
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So how long had they been sick, how many did they infect, and how big is Iran going to detonate now?
Don't answer; that was a rhetorical question.
Jubilee on Earth
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This is correct. Also note that the severe H1N1 that we had back in 2009 is rearing its ugly head this season, causing much of the heightened hospital, clinic, and doctor activity that's being reported both by the CDC and anecdotal evidence.
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CBC News AlertsVerified account @CBCAlerts 2h2 hours ago
More@CBCNews: Canada's inflation rate took a higher than expected jump in January, but analysts say the trend isn't likely to continue as the impact of the coronavirus outbreak works through the economy.
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EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 now13 seconds ago
Senate Health Committee announces hearing on U.S. coronavirus response
Senate Health Committee announces hearing on U.S. coronavirus response
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The Epoch Times - China Insider @EpochTimesChina 1m1 minute ago
The#Propaganda Dept in virus-stricken #HubeiProvince has engaged over 1,600 #Censors to scrub the internet of “sensitive” information relating to the #CoronavirusOutbreak, according to an internal document obtained by @EpochTimes.
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I been to The Villages. Settlement covers four counties I think. They have group-somethings every night plus bus tours all over the State. If the Chinese Plague was running loose in FL, that place would have jammed ER's by now. Does it?
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China is pretty much at the point where they need to just start sending cash to each of the businesses that are active in China. No one is making any money.
Due to the way most businesses seem to like to behave these days, none of them seem to be holding any cash reserves or if they do, it is a small amount.
So it is my opinion that effectively 99% of all China's businesses are bankrupt or at the door of bankruptcy.
This will force the China government to either just give them cash / forgive debt / or something just as radical.
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I work for a very large university. They sent out memos weeks ago via the email alert system, instructing any student who traveled to mainland China before January 19th to register with the health office. They basically gave the "all clear" to any students who traveled after that, and made no mention of any concern regarding relatives or friends who may have traveled. Who knows how many students have started coming down with "seasonal flu" symptoms and had no concerns about COVID-19 due to this date parameter they were given.
Not necessarily. It appears that most non-asian ethnicity has a milder case and, with the amount of influenza and focus on that problem, most would attribute it to the flu and not coronavirus.
And with extended incubations, it may well be still too early.
This^, and also rondaben's post immediately above.
I suspect it is a can of worms NO ONE wants to open.
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Coronavirus Kills 2 In Iran; Shocking Video Shows Quarantine Violaters Being Herded Into "Reeducation Camp"
by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Wednesday, 02/19/2020 - 11:18
Summary:
Update (1115ET): The 2 Iranians who reportedly tested positive for COVID-19 have died, according to several foreign media reports cited by Reuters.
As we reported earlier, a health ministry spokesperson said both cases were found and isolated in the city of Qom, where the two were treated in quarantine. Their conditions were said to be relatively stable earlier.
Experts worry that Iran might have dozens more undiagnosed cases by now, even as Iran has applied 'safety measures' like temperature screenings at its airports. That hasn't exactly been found to be the most effective measure to stop those infected with the virus from slipping through.
* * *
Update (1025ET): Epoch Times' Jennifer Zeng has shared some of the most startling videos gleaned from Chinese social media before the country's censors can take them down.
And this latest one is no exception.
According to Zeng, the crowd of people depicted in the video are being herded into the "No. 2 Hospital of Wuhan Iron & Steel Corp" to be "re-educated" after they were caught walking the street without permission or an excuse.
These draconian crackdowns are driving millions of Chinese bonkers as they're confined largely to their homes. And all of it will be rendered insignificant as Japan unleashes a boat load of infected patients on Tokyo.
Meanwhile, the latest figures show that over 15,000 people around the world have now recovered from the virus. The recovery rate for Hubei is still below 15%, unfortunately, while the number for the outside world is 40%. Eight out of nine patients in the UK have recovered, while half of Thailand's 35 cases have recovered.
In Thailand, nearly half of the 35 cases in the country have recovered. Earlier this week, the WHO said 4/5 of the cases in China were relatively mild and are expected to recover.
Elsewhere, Taiwan reported another confirmed case on Wednesday, its 24th confirmed infection: the victim was said to be a woman in her 60s with no history of foreign travel. Just like in Japan, more cases are emerging where the source of the virus is baffling to authorities.
* * *
Update (0900ET): Following Russian newswire reports yesterday that the Kremlin would become the first country to completely ban all Chinese from entering the country and freeze all visas for Chinese applicants, the Russian Foreign Minister on Wednesday clarified that it will continue to issue some visas, with very strict guidelines.
Visas will continue to be issued for official, business, humanitarian and transit purposes, the foreign ministry said.
The ban will take effect Thursday at midnight Moscow Time.
The Kremlin imposed the ban because of the "worsening epidemiological situation" in China, according to the office of the deputy prime minister, according to the Guardian.
The Foreign Minister added that the ban is temporary and only applies to visitors with tourist, private, student and work visas.
Beijing has made it known that it finds bans on Chinese travelers to be "racist". Following the expulsion of 3 WSJ journalists over a 'racist' opinion column, we suspect the Russian embassy got an earful from their partners in Beijing.
* * *
Update (0845ET): As the G-20 meeting of finance ministers and central bank governors begins in Riyadh, the IMF has published an essay warning that newfound "uncertainties" brought about by the coronavirus could lead to a "long-lasting and more severe outbreak".
In the lengthy piece, penned by IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva, warns that after central banks around the world including the Fed cut rates 71 times last year, the biggest monetary boom since the global financial crisis has left the global economy in good shape.
Still, China presents a serious problem. If the virus is contained, the economic impact on the mainland will be short-lived, and the knock-on effects for the rest of the world, transmitted via disruptions to global supply chains, will be minimal.
But if Beijing can't get a handle on this thing, well...
The implications are clear: Central banks response to the outbreak will inevitably be to ease more (a process that the PBOC has already started, and which the Bank of Korea is expected to join). Which means Davos 2021 will be all about central banks' inability to rescue the global economy.
* * *
Tehran is not having a good year.
First, President Trump rang in the new decade by barbecuing the leader of the IRGC Quds Force. In response, Iran killed zero Americans but accidentally shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane, killing nearly 200 people, including dozens of Iranian students, then they tried to lie about it, before finally coming clean.
All that was probably enough to destabilize the regime on its own. Though it has quieted down somewhat, the public outrage is still simmering as Iran's rolling economic crisis continues.
Now, on top of all that, Tehran has confirmed to the AP that authorities have confirmed two cases of the coronavirus in Iran. That means the virus has now infiltrated two of the world's most isolated states - Iran and North Korea. Many outsiders believe North Korea has confirmed at least one case of the virus, but that it has withheld this information from the international community to avoid inciting a panic.
Like North Korea, Iran's battered economy, crippled by years of American sanctions, is hardly equipped to deal with the outbreak. According to Iranian media, the cases were confirmed in the central province of Qom. More patients are being tested as an unknown number of suspected cases have been isolated, according to the AP.
Last night in New York, we reported that Japanese health authorities were preparing to release the first batch of 500 passengers and crew who had reportedly tested negative for the virus (though that doesn't completely rule out the possibility that a few of them might still develop symptoms caused by COVID-19).
On Wednesday morning in the US (so Wednesday night in Japan), health officials revealed that 79 more people onboard had tested positive for the virus, taking the total number of infected aboard the ship to 621, the AP reports.
As we've noted several times, the notion that thousands of people are about to be released while hundreds of cases of the virus are still being confirmed seems like insanity. While most of the patients will face two more weeks of quarantine when they return home, how are they planning on getting there? There's been no word of an official government transport. By allowing them to travel home, Japan is breaking the quarantine.
Britain has told passengers on board the ship not to disembark when Japan gives them the all clear, instead advising them to stay put and wait for the UK to organize an evacuation flight later this week to minimize their odds of infecting others.
Seems like a particularly stupid thing to do when the Tokyo Olympics are coming up this summer.
After the virus death toll on the mainland hit 2,000 last night, Johns Hopkins reports that the number of confirmed cases and deaths haven't moved since then: By their count, total confirmed stood at 75,201 while deaths stood at 2,012.
Johns Hopkins
Last night, the CDC warned that Japan's quarantine of the 'Diamond Princess' "may not have been sufficient" to prevent transmission among individuals on the ship.
In other slightly more positive cruise-ship related news, the Guardian reports that A total of 781 guests who disembarked from the Westerdam cruise ship in Cambodia have tested negative for Covid-19, according to Holland America, the ship's operator. The final passengers left the ship on Wednesdya.
As Beijing tries to reassure its population, half of which is under lockdown, that everything is going to be okay, Reuters reports that China’s central bank and its finance ministry won't send any officials to a G-20 finance ministers and central bank governors meeting in Riyadh due to the Coronavirus outbreak.
Meanwhile, in Wuhan, the twin nightmares of the 'war time' lockdown coupled with the ravages of the virus continue to work their wonders.
The yuan strengthened early Wednesday following reports that China is weighing measures including direct cash infusions and mergers to bail out the airline industry and others. Earlier, the state directed Chinese banks to offer emergency loans to troubled companies. The South Korean government and central bank announced a similar plan earlier this week. Some of the measures including easing infection controls in certain manufacturing hubs to get production back on line.
Optimism about China's efforts to help companies hurt by the virus put US stocks on track for a solid gain at the open on Wednesday, potentially enough to send all three benchmark indexes to fresh record highs.
Speaking of South Korea, the country reported 20 new cases overnight, bringing its total to 51.
As we reported earlier, Beijing expelled 3 WSJ reporters on Wednesday over an opinion column published by the paper that Beijing decried as 'racist'.
Remember, next time you hear somebody talking about the outbreak 'slowing down', take a look at this:
In corporate news, Puma and Adidas, which generate 1/3rd of revenues in the APac region, became the latest clothing brands to warn of disruption in their business in China as they have closed stores there. Puma sees a hit in Q1, while Adidas notes an 85% decline in business activity in the world's second-biggest economy.
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by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Wednesday, 02/19/2020 - 11:18
Summary:
- Diamond Princess confirms another 79 cases as quarantine ends
- CDC questions Japan's handling of 'DP' quarantine
- UK tells passengers to stay aboard ship until it finishes planning an official evacuation
- Video shows group who broke quarantine in Wuhan being taken to 'reeducation center'
- Russia "clarifies" ban on all Chinese: Says will allow some visas.
- Markets climb amid optimism that China is moving to support industries harmed by outbreak
- Puma, Adidas warn of virus-related hit in Q1
- Taiwan, South Korea report new cases
- The 2 Iranian COVID-19 patients reported earlier have died.
Update (1115ET): The 2 Iranians who reportedly tested positive for COVID-19 have died, according to several foreign media reports cited by Reuters.
As we reported earlier, a health ministry spokesperson said both cases were found and isolated in the city of Qom, where the two were treated in quarantine. Their conditions were said to be relatively stable earlier.
Experts worry that Iran might have dozens more undiagnosed cases by now, even as Iran has applied 'safety measures' like temperature screenings at its airports. That hasn't exactly been found to be the most effective measure to stop those infected with the virus from slipping through.
* * *
Update (1025ET): Epoch Times' Jennifer Zeng has shared some of the most startling videos gleaned from Chinese social media before the country's censors can take them down.
And this latest one is no exception.
According to Zeng, the crowd of people depicted in the video are being herded into the "No. 2 Hospital of Wuhan Iron & Steel Corp" to be "re-educated" after they were caught walking the street without permission or an excuse.
These draconian crackdowns are driving millions of Chinese bonkers as they're confined largely to their homes. And all of it will be rendered insignificant as Japan unleashes a boat load of infected patients on Tokyo.
Meanwhile, the latest figures show that over 15,000 people around the world have now recovered from the virus. The recovery rate for Hubei is still below 15%, unfortunately, while the number for the outside world is 40%. Eight out of nine patients in the UK have recovered, while half of Thailand's 35 cases have recovered.
In Thailand, nearly half of the 35 cases in the country have recovered. Earlier this week, the WHO said 4/5 of the cases in China were relatively mild and are expected to recover.
Elsewhere, Taiwan reported another confirmed case on Wednesday, its 24th confirmed infection: the victim was said to be a woman in her 60s with no history of foreign travel. Just like in Japan, more cases are emerging where the source of the virus is baffling to authorities.
* * *
Update (0900ET): Following Russian newswire reports yesterday that the Kremlin would become the first country to completely ban all Chinese from entering the country and freeze all visas for Chinese applicants, the Russian Foreign Minister on Wednesday clarified that it will continue to issue some visas, with very strict guidelines.
Visas will continue to be issued for official, business, humanitarian and transit purposes, the foreign ministry said.
The ban will take effect Thursday at midnight Moscow Time.
The Kremlin imposed the ban because of the "worsening epidemiological situation" in China, according to the office of the deputy prime minister, according to the Guardian.
The Foreign Minister added that the ban is temporary and only applies to visitors with tourist, private, student and work visas.
Russia has had three confirmed cases of the Covid-19 disease.
Beijing has made it known that it finds bans on Chinese travelers to be "racist". Following the expulsion of 3 WSJ journalists over a 'racist' opinion column, we suspect the Russian embassy got an earful from their partners in Beijing.
* * *
Update (0845ET): As the G-20 meeting of finance ministers and central bank governors begins in Riyadh, the IMF has published an essay warning that newfound "uncertainties" brought about by the coronavirus could lead to a "long-lasting and more severe outbreak".
In the lengthy piece, penned by IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva, warns that after central banks around the world including the Fed cut rates 71 times last year, the biggest monetary boom since the global financial crisis has left the global economy in good shape.
Still, China presents a serious problem. If the virus is contained, the economic impact on the mainland will be short-lived, and the knock-on effects for the rest of the world, transmitted via disruptions to global supply chains, will be minimal.
But if Beijing can't get a handle on this thing, well...
The rest of the essay goes on to discuss a host of other global risk factors.
The implications are clear: Central banks response to the outbreak will inevitably be to ease more (a process that the PBOC has already started, and which the Bank of Korea is expected to join). Which means Davos 2021 will be all about central banks' inability to rescue the global economy.
* * *
Tehran is not having a good year.
First, President Trump rang in the new decade by barbecuing the leader of the IRGC Quds Force. In response, Iran killed zero Americans but accidentally shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane, killing nearly 200 people, including dozens of Iranian students, then they tried to lie about it, before finally coming clean.
All that was probably enough to destabilize the regime on its own. Though it has quieted down somewhat, the public outrage is still simmering as Iran's rolling economic crisis continues.
Now, on top of all that, Tehran has confirmed to the AP that authorities have confirmed two cases of the coronavirus in Iran. That means the virus has now infiltrated two of the world's most isolated states - Iran and North Korea. Many outsiders believe North Korea has confirmed at least one case of the virus, but that it has withheld this information from the international community to avoid inciting a panic.
Like North Korea, Iran's battered economy, crippled by years of American sanctions, is hardly equipped to deal with the outbreak. According to Iranian media, the cases were confirmed in the central province of Qom. More patients are being tested as an unknown number of suspected cases have been isolated, according to the AP.
Last night in New York, we reported that Japanese health authorities were preparing to release the first batch of 500 passengers and crew who had reportedly tested negative for the virus (though that doesn't completely rule out the possibility that a few of them might still develop symptoms caused by COVID-19).
On Wednesday morning in the US (so Wednesday night in Japan), health officials revealed that 79 more people onboard had tested positive for the virus, taking the total number of infected aboard the ship to 621, the AP reports.
As we've noted several times, the notion that thousands of people are about to be released while hundreds of cases of the virus are still being confirmed seems like insanity. While most of the patients will face two more weeks of quarantine when they return home, how are they planning on getting there? There's been no word of an official government transport. By allowing them to travel home, Japan is breaking the quarantine.
Britain has told passengers on board the ship not to disembark when Japan gives them the all clear, instead advising them to stay put and wait for the UK to organize an evacuation flight later this week to minimize their odds of infecting others.
Seems like a particularly stupid thing to do when the Tokyo Olympics are coming up this summer.
After the virus death toll on the mainland hit 2,000 last night, Johns Hopkins reports that the number of confirmed cases and deaths haven't moved since then: By their count, total confirmed stood at 75,201 while deaths stood at 2,012.
Johns Hopkins
Last night, the CDC warned that Japan's quarantine of the 'Diamond Princess' "may not have been sufficient" to prevent transmission among individuals on the ship.
In other slightly more positive cruise-ship related news, the Guardian reports that A total of 781 guests who disembarked from the Westerdam cruise ship in Cambodia have tested negative for Covid-19, according to Holland America, the ship's operator. The final passengers left the ship on Wednesdya.
As Beijing tries to reassure its population, half of which is under lockdown, that everything is going to be okay, Reuters reports that China’s central bank and its finance ministry won't send any officials to a G-20 finance ministers and central bank governors meeting in Riyadh due to the Coronavirus outbreak.
Meanwhile, in Wuhan, the twin nightmares of the 'war time' lockdown coupled with the ravages of the virus continue to work their wonders.
The yuan strengthened early Wednesday following reports that China is weighing measures including direct cash infusions and mergers to bail out the airline industry and others. Earlier, the state directed Chinese banks to offer emergency loans to troubled companies. The South Korean government and central bank announced a similar plan earlier this week. Some of the measures including easing infection controls in certain manufacturing hubs to get production back on line.
Optimism about China's efforts to help companies hurt by the virus put US stocks on track for a solid gain at the open on Wednesday, potentially enough to send all three benchmark indexes to fresh record highs.
Speaking of South Korea, the country reported 20 new cases overnight, bringing its total to 51.
As we reported earlier, Beijing expelled 3 WSJ reporters on Wednesday over an opinion column published by the paper that Beijing decried as 'racist'.
Remember, next time you hear somebody talking about the outbreak 'slowing down', take a look at this:
In corporate news, Puma and Adidas, which generate 1/3rd of revenues in the APac region, became the latest clothing brands to warn of disruption in their business in China as they have closed stores there. Puma sees a hit in Q1, while Adidas notes an 85% decline in business activity in the world's second-biggest economy.
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Also agreed. And think the reaction in China is what has everyone so weirded out.
I was weirded out before this, but now appear normal.
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Mobile creamatoriums deployed to Wuhan for ’medical’ waste. On iPad can’t post whole story if someone wants to grab it.
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China deploys 40 incinerators amid fears of coronavirus death toll 'cover up'
Chinese media reports that the mobile furnaces – used for burning animal carcasses and medical waste – have been shipped to the centre of the Covid-19 outbreak
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First coronavirus patient had NO connection to Wuhan seafood market - so did the disease start elsewhere?
By Billie Thomson For Mailonline
Published: 09:19 EST, 18 February 2020 | Updated: 09:36 EST, 18 February 2020
The revelation, made by BBC, echoed with the information disclosed in a previous medical research, which has prompted Chinese people to speculate about the possible alternative sources of the deadly disease.
Over the weekend, a mysterious virus lab became the centre point of Chinese social media after online accounts suggested that the lethal virus had come from there - allegations the state-run institute has denied and branded as rumours.
Beijing's experts claim that the deadly coronavirus outbreak began at Huanan Seafood Wholesales Market in Wuhan. They believe the virus was passed onto humans through wildlife sold as food.
The virus, formally known as COVID-19, has killed at least 1,873 people and infected more than 73,330 worldwide since it emerged in Wuhan late last year.
According to public notices released by Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, the first coronavirus patient appeared on December 8 and most of the initial patients were linked to the seafood market.
But BBC reported that the very first sufferer, also known as the 'patient zero', was a pensioner in his 70s who was bed-bound due to a stroke and suffered from dementia.
The unnamed man fell ill on December 1 - a week earlier than officials' claims - and had not been to the seafood market prior to falling ill, a doctor told BBC.
Prof Wu Wenjuan, a director at intensive care units of Wuhan's Jinyintan Hospital, told the news outlet yesterday that the pensioner had had to stay at home due to his health condition and had no connection with Huanan.
Prof Wu is among a group of experts who last month published a bombshell study on peer-reviewed medical journal The Lancet, revealing critical information that had never been released by the Chinese government.
'The symptom onset date of the first patient identified was Dec 1, 2019. None of his family members developed fever or any respiratory symptoms,' the report said.
The team surveyed the first 41 coronavirus patients who fell ill between December 1 and January 2 and discovered that 14 out of the 41 patients were not linked to the market.
Notably, among the first four cases treated between December 1 and December 11, only one of them had connection to the market.
Chinese health officials have not publicly commented on the study.
Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University, said it was possible that the virus spread silently between residents of Wuhan as early as November - if not earlier - before the cluster of cases from the Huanan market was discovered in late December.
'The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,' Lucey told Science last month.
'Now It seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,' he wrote. 'But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.'
A number of conspiracy theories have connected the novel coronavirus to Wuhan Institute of Virology.
One school of theories claim that the virus had been leaked from the lab either by accident or on purpose.
On Saturday, the institute became a trending topic on China's Twitter-like Weibo after accounts claimed that one of its graduates was the 'patient zero'.
Sources alleged that a woman named Huang Yanling, who received her master's degree from the academy in 2015, was the first to be infected with the virus.
Wuhan Institute of Virology denied the claims. In a statement, it said Huang had been working in another province and never been diagnosed with the novel coronavirus.
A day later, a Weibo user, who claimed to be a researcher at the institute named Chen Quanjiao, accused the institute's director Wang Yanyi of leaking the virus.
The institute said the allegation was fabricated and that the web user had posed as Chen. Police stressed that the blogger was based outside of China.
Shi Zhengli, a director at Wuhan Institute of Virology, said earlier this month: 'The 2019 novel coronavirus is nature's punishment for humans' uncivilised life habits. I, Shi Zhengli, use my life to guarantee, [the virus] has no relation with the lab.'
Shi urged the Chinese authorities to launch an official investigation into the matter.
She told Chinese news outlet Caixin: 'Conspiracy theorists don't believe in science. I hope our country's professional departments can come to investigate and prove our innocence.'
Last week, a team of Chinese scientists claimed that the deadly coronavirus might have started life in a research facility just 900 feet from the Wuhan fish market.
Experts from South China University of Technology said in a paper that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WHCDC) could have spawned the contagion.
'The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus,' penned by scholars Xiao Botao and Xiao Lei claims the WHCDC kept disease-ridden animals in laboratories, including 605 bats.
The paper also mentioned that bats - which are linked to coronavirus - once attacked a researcher and 'blood of bat was on his skin.'
It said: 'Genome sequences from patients were 96% or 89% identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus originally found in Rhinolophus affinis (intermediate horseshoe bat).'
It described how the only native bats are found around 600 miles away from the Wuhan seafood market and that the probability of bats flying from Yunnan and Zhejiang provinces was minimal.
The report, titled 'The possible origins of 2019-ncov coronavirus', was originally uploaded to e-book and audiobook service Scribd and has been deleted.
[/QUOTE]
If patient 0 was a bed bound pensioner, how did he get the disease? He was bed bound. So unless he ate bat soup, had a pangolin (sp?)as a pet, or any of the other theoretical means of acquiring this new coronavirus, how did he get it? I doubt a wild virus just wafted through the window and landed in his sinuses. He probably got it from someone else. Who was THAT and how did they get it. I am not buying that this is patient 0.
By Billie Thomson For Mailonline
Published: 09:19 EST, 18 February 2020 | Updated: 09:36 EST, 18 February 2020
- The first coronavirus patient was a bed-bound man in his 70s, BBC reported
- He had no connection to the market where Beijing says the outbreak began
- An earlier paper said 14 out of the first 41 patients were not linked to the place
- BBC's report comes after social media accounts pointed the origin to a virus lab
- Wuhan Institute of Virology said relevant allegations were false and rumours
The revelation, made by BBC, echoed with the information disclosed in a previous medical research, which has prompted Chinese people to speculate about the possible alternative sources of the deadly disease.
Over the weekend, a mysterious virus lab became the centre point of Chinese social media after online accounts suggested that the lethal virus had come from there - allegations the state-run institute has denied and branded as rumours.
Beijing's experts claim that the deadly coronavirus outbreak began at Huanan Seafood Wholesales Market in Wuhan. They believe the virus was passed onto humans through wildlife sold as food.
The virus, formally known as COVID-19, has killed at least 1,873 people and infected more than 73,330 worldwide since it emerged in Wuhan late last year.
According to public notices released by Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, the first coronavirus patient appeared on December 8 and most of the initial patients were linked to the seafood market.
But BBC reported that the very first sufferer, also known as the 'patient zero', was a pensioner in his 70s who was bed-bound due to a stroke and suffered from dementia.
The unnamed man fell ill on December 1 - a week earlier than officials' claims - and had not been to the seafood market prior to falling ill, a doctor told BBC.
Prof Wu Wenjuan, a director at intensive care units of Wuhan's Jinyintan Hospital, told the news outlet yesterday that the pensioner had had to stay at home due to his health condition and had no connection with Huanan.
Prof Wu is among a group of experts who last month published a bombshell study on peer-reviewed medical journal The Lancet, revealing critical information that had never been released by the Chinese government.
'The symptom onset date of the first patient identified was Dec 1, 2019. None of his family members developed fever or any respiratory symptoms,' the report said.
The team surveyed the first 41 coronavirus patients who fell ill between December 1 and January 2 and discovered that 14 out of the 41 patients were not linked to the market.
Notably, among the first four cases treated between December 1 and December 11, only one of them had connection to the market.
Chinese health officials have not publicly commented on the study.
Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University, said it was possible that the virus spread silently between residents of Wuhan as early as November - if not earlier - before the cluster of cases from the Huanan market was discovered in late December.
'The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,' Lucey told Science last month.
'Now It seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,' he wrote. 'But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.'
A number of conspiracy theories have connected the novel coronavirus to Wuhan Institute of Virology.
One school of theories claim that the virus had been leaked from the lab either by accident or on purpose.
On Saturday, the institute became a trending topic on China's Twitter-like Weibo after accounts claimed that one of its graduates was the 'patient zero'.
Sources alleged that a woman named Huang Yanling, who received her master's degree from the academy in 2015, was the first to be infected with the virus.
Wuhan Institute of Virology denied the claims. In a statement, it said Huang had been working in another province and never been diagnosed with the novel coronavirus.
A day later, a Weibo user, who claimed to be a researcher at the institute named Chen Quanjiao, accused the institute's director Wang Yanyi of leaking the virus.
The institute said the allegation was fabricated and that the web user had posed as Chen. Police stressed that the blogger was based outside of China.
Shi Zhengli, a director at Wuhan Institute of Virology, said earlier this month: 'The 2019 novel coronavirus is nature's punishment for humans' uncivilised life habits. I, Shi Zhengli, use my life to guarantee, [the virus] has no relation with the lab.'
Shi urged the Chinese authorities to launch an official investigation into the matter.
She told Chinese news outlet Caixin: 'Conspiracy theorists don't believe in science. I hope our country's professional departments can come to investigate and prove our innocence.'
Last week, a team of Chinese scientists claimed that the deadly coronavirus might have started life in a research facility just 900 feet from the Wuhan fish market.
Experts from South China University of Technology said in a paper that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WHCDC) could have spawned the contagion.
'The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus,' penned by scholars Xiao Botao and Xiao Lei claims the WHCDC kept disease-ridden animals in laboratories, including 605 bats.
The paper also mentioned that bats - which are linked to coronavirus - once attacked a researcher and 'blood of bat was on his skin.'
It said: 'Genome sequences from patients were 96% or 89% identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus originally found in Rhinolophus affinis (intermediate horseshoe bat).'
It described how the only native bats are found around 600 miles away from the Wuhan seafood market and that the probability of bats flying from Yunnan and Zhejiang provinces was minimal.
The report, titled 'The possible origins of 2019-ncov coronavirus', was originally uploaded to e-book and audiobook service Scribd and has been deleted.
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If patient 0 was a bed bound pensioner, how did he get the disease? He was bed bound. So unless he ate bat soup, had a pangolin (sp?)as a pet, or any of the other theoretical means of acquiring this new coronavirus, how did he get it? I doubt a wild virus just wafted through the window and landed in his sinuses. He probably got it from someone else. Who was THAT and how did they get it. I am not buying that this is patient 0.
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Mathematics has a poetry that is its own sweet Truth. I am fortunate to have been taught how to think big and brave enough to look. Statistics lies, but Math never does.
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"Might still develop symptoms" means "ARE INFECTED", in case anyone needed that pointed out. Sheesh.
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曾錚 Jennifer Zeng @jenniferatntd 52s53 seconds ago
My question for this is: who decides what is "misinformation"?#WHO? Google? Facebook, Amazon, or Youtube? WHO tells us #CCP is doing a good job Facebook, Amazon, Google and more met with WHO to figure out how to stop #coronavirus misinformation #COVD19
My question for this is: who decides what is "misinformation"?
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'This is going to be a very big deal' — Coronavirus poised to disrupt storage, solar sectors https://www.utilitydive.com/news/coronavirus-solar-storage-power-sector/572326/ … via@UtilityDive
'This is going to be a very big deal' — Coronavirus poised to disrupt storage, solar sectors https://www.utilitydive.com/news/coronavirus-solar-storage-power-sector/572326/ … via
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The Epoch Times - China Insider @EpochTimesChina 3m3 minutes ago
Over 10 Chinese cities set a rule that those who don’t own a property are forbidden to set foot in the city, according to state media. Renters in these cities are not allowed to enter their apartments, with some properties sealed to prevent entry.
Over 10 Chinese cities set a rule that those who don’t own a property are forbidden to set foot in the city, according to state media. Renters in these cities are not allowed to enter their apartments, with some properties sealed to prevent entry.
China deploys 40 incinerators to Wuhan amid fears of coronavirus death toll 'cover up'Mobile creamatoriums deployed to Wuhan for ’medical’ waste. On iPad can’t post whole story if someone wants to grab it.
China deploys 40 incinerators amid fears of coronavirus death toll 'cover up'
Chinese media reports that the mobile furnaces – used for burning animal carcasses and medical waste – have been shipped to the centre of the Covid-19 outbreak
Chinese media reports that the mobile furnaces – used for burning animal carcasses and medical waste – have been shipped to the centre of the Covid-19 outbreak
By
Henry HollowayChief Reporter
- 12:11, 19 FEB 2020
- UPDATED12:17, 19 FEB 2020
NTD reports that the cabins are for the disposal of animal carcasses, while China Ship news reports the incinerators are for medical waste.
Wuhan has been at the centre of the global epidemic which has infected more than 75,000 people and killed more than 2,000.
It is believed the virus spread from bats to other animals in the so-called “wet markets” in the city before being passed to humans. Sources quoted in Chinese media raise questions over whether or not the incinerators are for animals, or will be used to dispose of human remains.
Mobile incinerators deployed to Wuhan (Image: Weibo)RELATED ARTICLES
Reportedly the cabin is the size of a 20-foot standard container and has a volume of about 30 cubic meters.
It reportedly has the ability to crush solid waste, then incinerate it, and then purify the smoke.
Reportedly the incinerators have been sanctioned for the use by the Chinese military after a test in Golmud, Qinghai in January.
Large trucks were reportedly spotted transporting the cabins into the disease ravaged city of Wuhan.
Professor Ming Ju reportedly said he believes the cabins are “mobile incinerators” for bodies.
And meanwhile, Professor Qu Zan said the virus could not survive the 850 degree heat created by the furnace.
Wuhan locals reportedly have questions the need for such cabins as there is not a widespread infection of animals with the virus.
READ MORE
Wuhan medics have deployed the incinerators to deal with the virus (Image: Weibo)READ MORE
Disturbing reports have continued to emerge about the city, with claims medics are totally overwhelmed by the sheer number of infections.
Pictures have emerged showing deserted streets, and videos of early in the outbreak show hospitals completely heaving with people.
And the Wuhan hospital director Liu Zhiming has reportedly died of the infection, with around 1,700 doctors diagnosed with Covid-19.
The death toll from coronavirus mainland China rose to 2,004 on Wednesday as Chinese officials announced a further 136 deaths, up from 98 in the previous 24 hours.
The numbers of new coronavirus cases are continuing to fall as China claims it is getting to grips with the outbreak following the intervention of Xi Jinping.
Officials have been carrying out a door-to-door campaign in Wuhan to root out anyone in the city with the infection.
"This must be taken seriously," said Wang Zhonglin, Wuhan's new Communist Party secretary.
"There's nothing more important than human life.
"If a single new case is found (after Wednesday), the district leaders will be held responsible."
However, experts have warned the threat remains as Chinese nationals continue to return to work following the Lunar New Year.
World Health Organisation chiefs last week labelled the coronavirus outbreak “public enemy number one” and said it was a bigger global threat than terrorism.
It was claimed earlier this month that crematoriums in the city are working “24/7” to deal with the bodies.
Workers are reportedly working flat out and without break as they are constantly sent the bodies of victims – it is claimed they have been burning 100 bodies every day since January 28.
Patient is discharged from hospital in Wuhan (Image: AFP via Getty Images)READ MORE
One insider, who is said to work at a funeral home in Wuhan, has reportedly revealed the long working hours to deal with the surge of coronavirus deaths.
Crematorium workers are reportedly working in makeshift protective suits and masks as they handle the bodies.
Chinese-state media also unleashed a decree banning funerals earlier this month, saying all bodies must be instantly burned by authorities.
Citing the National Health Commission, newspapers confirmed all bodies should be burned “close by and immediately”.
It added: “Burials or the transfer of bodies is not allowed. Funerals not allowed to avoid spread of the virus.”
At least 16 cities are under lockdown in China, with an estimated 55 million people living in quarantine.
Elsewhere, China has reportedly begun burning cash as they fears banknotes could help the spread of the virus.
It is estimated around $600 million worth of notes have been either destroyed or taken out of circulation by the Communist Party.
Cash is also being shipped back to the Chinese central bank to be disinfected to try kill the virus.
Concerns about the virus are now turning to the potentially huge economic impacts of a country living under quarantine.
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China Expels 3 WSJ Reporters Over "Racist" Opinion Piece
by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Wednesday, 02/19/2020 - 10:25
Update (0720ET): CNBC's Eunice Yoon, who has also been a reliable source of information out of Beijing since the outbreak began, has published a statement from Beijing about the expulsions: "Chinese people do not welcome media that publish racially discriminatory and malicious slander on China. In light of this, China has decided to revoke the press cards of the three Wall Street Journal correspondents in Beijing starting today."
Why do we have the feeling that this will be the first of many?
* * *
Beijing's propaganda campaign to paper over the depredations of its heavy handed quarantines and other outbreak-suppression efforts was launched into hyperspeed earlier this month as the international community - including the WHO - started questioning everything - from whether Beijing deliberately hid information about the outbreak in the early days (looks like it did), to whether the virus was originally developed in a bioweapons lab in Wuhan before being unleashed on the public (...), to whether Beijng was actually capable of resolving this issue without some kind of intervention.
These doubts likely played some role in Beijing's decision to refuse to allow foreign experts into the country - though it gladly accepted shipments of facemasks and medicine - as the most important thing is that the Communist Party project an image of strength upon the global stage.
Which is probably why this editorial annoyed them so much.
From time to time, China expels foreign journalists. In recent years, reporters from Bloomberg, WSJ and the New York Times have been booted from the country. But early Wednesday morning, the Wall Street Journal reported that three of its reporters - Deputy Beijing Bureau Chief Josh Chin and reporter Chao Deng, as well as reporter Philip Wen have been ordered to leave China in five days, according to Jonathan Cheng, WSJ's Beijing bureau chief and a formidable foreign correspondent in his own right.
Amid the chaos of the breakout's early days, WSJ's Beijing bureau was responsible for some seriously ambitious pieces, and Deng's reporting in particular distinguished him as one of the first western reporters to convey serious doubts about the accuracy of China's tests.
American cartoon "South Park" has been banned in China
Although expulsions of reporters are relatively common, WSJ's editors noted that this is the first time Beijing has expelled multiple reporters from the same foreign news organization in the post-Mao era.
In a strange twist, Beijing didn't mention any of these pieces in its communications with WSJ. According to the paper, an Opinion Section piece titled "China Is The Real Sick Man of Asia." was cited as the reason all three reporters were given five days to leave the country.
The piece was written by Walter Russel Mead for WSJ's "Global View" column. None of the reporters targeted by Beijing had a hand in writing the piece, according to WSJ.
However, Beijing said it wanted to punish the news organization because it felt the column was "racist". This isn't the first time we've heard this excuse from Beijing: the Chinese media have been beating the racism drum for a while to try and discredit criticisms of Beijing's virus response.
As WSJ reminds us:
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by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Wednesday, 02/19/2020 - 10:25
Update (0720ET): CNBC's Eunice Yoon, who has also been a reliable source of information out of Beijing since the outbreak began, has published a statement from Beijing about the expulsions: "Chinese people do not welcome media that publish racially discriminatory and malicious slander on China. In light of this, China has decided to revoke the press cards of the three Wall Street Journal correspondents in Beijing starting today."
Why do we have the feeling that this will be the first of many?
* * *
Beijing's propaganda campaign to paper over the depredations of its heavy handed quarantines and other outbreak-suppression efforts was launched into hyperspeed earlier this month as the international community - including the WHO - started questioning everything - from whether Beijing deliberately hid information about the outbreak in the early days (looks like it did), to whether the virus was originally developed in a bioweapons lab in Wuhan before being unleashed on the public (...), to whether Beijng was actually capable of resolving this issue without some kind of intervention.
These doubts likely played some role in Beijing's decision to refuse to allow foreign experts into the country - though it gladly accepted shipments of facemasks and medicine - as the most important thing is that the Communist Party project an image of strength upon the global stage.
Which is probably why this editorial annoyed them so much.
From time to time, China expels foreign journalists. In recent years, reporters from Bloomberg, WSJ and the New York Times have been booted from the country. But early Wednesday morning, the Wall Street Journal reported that three of its reporters - Deputy Beijing Bureau Chief Josh Chin and reporter Chao Deng, as well as reporter Philip Wen have been ordered to leave China in five days, according to Jonathan Cheng, WSJ's Beijing bureau chief and a formidable foreign correspondent in his own right.
Amid the chaos of the breakout's early days, WSJ's Beijing bureau was responsible for some seriously ambitious pieces, and Deng's reporting in particular distinguished him as one of the first western reporters to convey serious doubts about the accuracy of China's tests.
American cartoon "South Park" has been banned in China
Although expulsions of reporters are relatively common, WSJ's editors noted that this is the first time Beijing has expelled multiple reporters from the same foreign news organization in the post-Mao era.
In a strange twist, Beijing didn't mention any of these pieces in its communications with WSJ. According to the paper, an Opinion Section piece titled "China Is The Real Sick Man of Asia." was cited as the reason all three reporters were given five days to leave the country.
The piece was written by Walter Russel Mead for WSJ's "Global View" column. None of the reporters targeted by Beijing had a hand in writing the piece, according to WSJ.
However, Beijing said it wanted to punish the news organization because it felt the column was "racist". This isn't the first time we've heard this excuse from Beijing: the Chinese media have been beating the racism drum for a while to try and discredit criticisms of Beijing's virus response.
As WSJ reminds us:
It seems Beijing has taken a page out of the American SJW's playbook: Once somebody's accused of racism, logical inquiry ends. We wonder if the Chinese people feel the same way?
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The Epoch Times - China Insider @EpochTimesChina 8s8 seconds ago
A 70-year-old man in#HongKong has died of the #Coronavirus on Wednesday morning, bringing the total number of #COVID19-linked deaths in the city to 2. His death is the 6th COVID-19-related death outside of mainland #China.
A 70-year-old man in
Tristan
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Therefore, Florida's authoritays have decided that econ is more importante than citizen's health.
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Caitlin Rivers @cmyeaton 37m37 minutes ago
China announced new changes to the case definition. Clinically-diagnosed cases will no longer be considered confirmed in Hubei; diagnostic testing will needed for confirmation.
China announced new changes to the case definition. Clinically-diagnosed cases will no longer be considered confirmed in Hubei; diagnostic testing will needed for confirmation.
Tristan
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Well, well. I guess the numbers sucked a little too much.
Hey, Hubei - how many dead folks do you have in the welded up apartments? Asking for a friend.
Shadow
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FL released zika numbers under the same laws they now say prevent them from releasing coronavirus numbers. Also they have not said they have no cases.
Shadow
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Madeleine Almberg @almberg70 9h9 hours ago
Chinese Regime Deploys 1,600 Internet Trolls to Suppress Information on Coronavirus
Chinese Regime Deploys 1,600 Internet Trolls to Suppress Information on Coronavirus
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Apparently the people you listed are the ones who will do it for us.
20Gauge
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Yep it is getting far worse. Either the flu is doing it or the people have outright revolted......
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
Ah yes... an attempt to bring the numbers back down. Gotta love it. Just goes to show you that numbers/data are totally and completely useless.
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So they can burn 50 people per day per incinerator. That seems to be another mark towards that there are a lot more dead than being reported. If the official government needs to import extra methods to handle bodies, the bodies must be piling up.China deploys 40 incinerators to Wuhan amid fears of coronavirus death toll 'cover up'
Chinese media reports that the mobile furnaces – used for burning animal carcasses and medical waste – have been shipped to the centre of the Covid-19 outbreak
By
Henry HollowayChief Reporter
- 12:11, 19 FEB 2020
- UPDATED12:17, 19 FEB 2020
NTD reports that the cabins are for the disposal of animal carcasses, while China Ship news reports the incinerators are for medical waste.
Wuhan has been at the centre of the global epidemic which has infected more than 75,000 people and killed more than 2,000.
It is believed the virus spread from bats to other animals in the so-called “wet markets” in the city before being passed to humans. Sources quoted in Chinese media raise questions over whether or not the incinerators are for animals, or will be used to dispose of human remains.
Mobile incinerators deployed to Wuhan (Image: Weibo)RELATED ARTICLES
The mobile incinerators can reportedly destroy up to five tons of waste every single day – and can burn its load in as little as two seconds.
Reportedly the cabin is the size of a 20-foot standard container and has a volume of about 30 cubic meters.
It reportedly has the ability to crush solid waste, then incinerate it, and then purify the smoke.
Reportedly the incinerators have been sanctioned for the use by the Chinese military after a test in Golmud, Qinghai in January.
Large trucks were reportedly spotted transporting the cabins into the disease ravaged city of Wuhan.
Professor Ming Ju reportedly said he believes the cabins are “mobile incinerators” for bodies.
And meanwhile, Professor Qu Zan said the virus could not survive the 850 degree heat created by the furnace.
Wuhan locals reportedly have questions the need for such cabins as there is not a widespread infection of animals with the virus.
READ MORE
Wuhan medics have deployed the incinerators to deal with the virus (Image: Weibo)READ MORE
Questions have been raised over whether or not the Communist Party is withholding information about the outbreak in Wuhan.
Disturbing reports have continued to emerge about the city, with claims medics are totally overwhelmed by the sheer number of infections.
Pictures have emerged showing deserted streets, and videos of early in the outbreak show hospitals completely heaving with people.
And the Wuhan hospital director Liu Zhiming has reportedly died of the infection, with around 1,700 doctors diagnosed with Covid-19.
The death toll from coronavirus mainland China rose to 2,004 on Wednesday as Chinese officials announced a further 136 deaths, up from 98 in the previous 24 hours.
The numbers of new coronavirus cases are continuing to fall as China claims it is getting to grips with the outbreak following the intervention of Xi Jinping.
Officials have been carrying out a door-to-door campaign in Wuhan to root out anyone in the city with the infection.
"This must be taken seriously," said Wang Zhonglin, Wuhan's new Communist Party secretary.
"There's nothing more important than human life.
"If a single new case is found (after Wednesday), the district leaders will be held responsible."
However, experts have warned the threat remains as Chinese nationals continue to return to work following the Lunar New Year.
World Health Organisation chiefs last week labelled the coronavirus outbreak “public enemy number one” and said it was a bigger global threat than terrorism.
It was claimed earlier this month that crematoriums in the city are working “24/7” to deal with the bodies.
Workers are reportedly working flat out and without break as they are constantly sent the bodies of victims – it is claimed they have been burning 100 bodies every day since January 28.
Patient is discharged from hospital in Wuhan (Image: AFP via Getty Images)READ MORE
One insider, who is said to work at a funeral home in Wuhan, has reportedly revealed the long working hours to deal with the surge of coronavirus deaths.
Crematorium workers are reportedly working in makeshift protective suits and masks as they handle the bodies.
Chinese-state media also unleashed a decree banning funerals earlier this month, saying all bodies must be instantly burned by authorities.
Citing the National Health Commission, newspapers confirmed all bodies should be burned “close by and immediately”.
It added: “Burials or the transfer of bodies is not allowed. Funerals not allowed to avoid spread of the virus.”
At least 16 cities are under lockdown in China, with an estimated 55 million people living in quarantine.
Elsewhere, China has reportedly begun burning cash as they fears banknotes could help the spread of the virus.
It is estimated around $600 million worth of notes have been either destroyed or taken out of circulation by the Communist Party.
Cash is also being shipped back to the Chinese central bank to be disinfected to try kill the virus.
Concerns about the virus are now turning to the potentially huge economic impacts of a country living under quarantine.
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Now you understand...
20Gauge
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No they did not, but they are trying very hard to give that impression.....
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Yep, the numbers jumping didn't help with the story line of things are getting better..... now to ship those extra incinerators.....
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Now here might be some REAL trouble brewing.
Fair use cited so on and so forth.
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Wuhan Mother Speaks Out: "No Beds, No Medicine, All Lies"
by Tyler Durden
Wed, 02/19/2020 - 11:15
Authored by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk,
Here's a heart wrenching video of a Wuhan mother who cannot take the lies anymore.
Wuhan Mother Speaks Out
(3:33, the video mentioned previous)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkpTJXn9_gg&feature=youtu.be
Select Transcript Quotes
Now that's a patriot. And that is what China fears most.
I cannot confirm where that video was filmed.
I can say that it is similar to what the New York Times reports in Fear, Fury and the Coronavirus.
The NYT reporters were in China.
Food Supply Issues
See Jason Burack's other Tweets
See Jason Burack's other Tweets
Political Unrest Highest Since Tiananmen Square (1989)
See Jim Bianco's other Tweets
Beijing Afraid?
Yes.
From an economic standpoint, January say the Largest Shipping Decline Since 2009 and That's Before Coronavirus impact hit.
Supply chain disruptions have barely started.
Fair use cited so on and so forth.
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Wuhan Mother Speaks Out: "No Beds, No Medicine, All Lies"
by Tyler Durden
Wed, 02/19/2020 - 11:15
Authored by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk,
Here's a heart wrenching video of a Wuhan mother who cannot take the lies anymore.
Wuhan Mother Speaks Out
(3:33, the video mentioned previous)
Select Transcript Quotes
- Only normal citizens are suffering. The government does not care about us. We can't buy medicine with money. We can't go to the hospital with money.
- And in Hong Kong, I support your independence. I also support Taiwan independence. Tibet and Hong Kong, I support independence.
- Not a single person can speak freely. If anyone speaks about the truth, they are detained, If they decide it's 10 years or 20 years then it's already decided. Even lawyers are useless.
- I'm gonna tell you something. 1 person's sacrifice 2 people's sacrifice is a sacrifice that is necessary of a revolution. I will make a sacrifice for may parents, for my family, for our free lives.
- I know it is dangerous for me to speak out. But I can't take it anymore, I cannot.
- No beds, no medicine, all the news from TV is a lie.
- In this evil society I can no longer keep my mouth shut. No one is willing to speak out. I am going to stand up and make a voice. We really have to resist my fellow citizens. I can't live like this anymore.
Now that's a patriot. And that is what China fears most.
I cannot confirm where that video was filmed.
I can say that it is similar to what the New York Times reports in Fear, Fury and the Coronavirus.
The NYT reporters were in China.
Food Supply Issues
Jim Bianco@biancoresearch
· Feb 13, 2020
Today’s NYT Daily podcast about Covid-19.
They came away noting that political unrest in China is as high as it has been in decades.
Is this why province and Wuhan leaders were sacked and replaced by “security” (read: control) leaders?
Beijing afraid? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus.html …
Fear, Fury and the Coronavirus
China’s Communist rulers are not just fighting an epidemic. They are also struggling to contain an upwelling of public anger about their own failure to stem the outbreak.
nytimes.com
Jason Burack@JasonEBurack
There's pork rationing in Wuhan now and pork prices are being hiked like crazy. It's even worse price hikes than from the African swine flu. The Chinese government has changed food policy in Wuhan drastically 3 times in the last 3 or so weeks. I have a friend trapped in Wuhan
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Replying to @biancoresearch
Initially, food delivery trucks were not allowed into Wuhan for over a week when the city was initially blockaded. So food levels in the city were dangerously low. Hardly anyone prepared in advance and many thousands almost starved. Food policies are angering many Chinese
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Political Unrest Highest Since Tiananmen Square (1989)
Jim Bianco@biancoresearch
https://twitter.com/biancoresearch/status/1229892406545408000
Last Thursday I highlighted the tweet below noting that political unrest in China is building to the highest level since Tiananmen Square (1989).
More evidencehttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-18/china-ramps-up-propaganda-tactics-and-stirs-even-more-outrage … https://twitter.com/biancoresearch/status/1228084054722924545 …
China Ramps Up Virus Propaganda, And Stirs Even More Outrage
The 14 women from northwest China cried silently as a group of men shaved off their long black hair, a precaution meant to help prevent infection before they treat patients inflicted with the deadly...
bloomberg.com
Jim Bianco@biancoresearch
Today’s NYT Daily podcast about Covid-19.
They came away noting that political unrest in China is as high as it has been in decades.
Is this why province and Wuhan leaders were sacked and replaced by “security” (read: control) leaders?
Beijing afraid? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus.html …
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Beijing Afraid?
Yes.
Meanwhile, please note that Half the Population of China, 760 Million, Now Locked Down
From an economic standpoint, January say the Largest Shipping Decline Since 2009 and That's Before Coronavirus impact hit.
Supply chain disruptions have barely started.
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The Epoch Times - China Insider @EpochTimesChina 7m7 minutes ago
#Beijing put in place #Quarantine measures for its #Military personnel, in a sign that the #CoronavirusOutbreak may be growing more severe in #China. The People’s Liberation Army reported 12 military officers have been placed under “isolation management.”