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TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
The first mention of boxcars and shackles on this incarnation of TB2K (which opened in May of 2001) was on June 12, 2001 by the infamous poster AbbyLane2004 here:


Our new search can find anything.

Thanks for doing a search for that. Interesting. I believed whomever it was (sorry...way too much stuff to keep up with here these days, along with every day life stuff. I apologize I can't remember who...and i ain't going back to look...lol) and didn't even think about checking it out.

The links are dead now, tried several there. Bummer, but to be expected after all this time.

The new search is great, yes!
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Wuhan, capital of Hubei province and epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, said it would suspend visa and passport services for Chinese citizens until Jan. 30 to strengthen control of the virus, the city’s exit-entry bureau said in a statement on Monday.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
They're right side up because in that position they shed rain. If they stacked them upside down, with the open side at the sky, eventually they'd fill with rainwater.

True that. And there would be a mold and mosquito infestation.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No where does it say the 5 million departed in 5 days.

What it says is "about 5 million residents had already left Wuhan BEFORE the lockdown".

Yeah, I know Kris. This sub thread started with an assertion that 5 mill left Wuhan in 5 days on planes.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
The Wall Street Journal‏Verified account @WSJ 5m5 minutes ago

The Huanan food market sold wild animals enjoyed as culinary delicacies or used as traditional medicine—an ancient trade Beijing has allowed despite warnings that it could trigger a global epidemic
 

pops88

Girls with Guns Member
Thank you I didn't know that. On a side note, I had a family member in MD Anderson and she had viral pneumonia. The doctor spoke to me in the hall and told me that they had nothing to treat Viral pneumonia. He told me to buy echinacea/goldenseal 380MG and give it to my family member twice a day, it will dry out the lungs. He said if you tell anyone I told you that, you're a liar.

We also gave it for years to my Mom who was bedridden in a nursing home, she never got pneumonia. I realize this is something different we are dealing with, but we deal with it as best we can.

Regarding the 5 million flying out of Wuhan. I don't remember where I saw or read it but it was someone that lived in China. They also said that Xi and the royal rulers have relocated to an Island.

Thanks for sharing that information. It's good to know and might be helpful. One of the major problems with the Spanish flu was fluid in the lungs from the pneumonia.
 

jward

passin' thru
hmm def watch to see how this tweet ages, for the next health cris..j

(((Henry L Niman PhD))) (@hniman) Tweeted:
@AJonSchultz @DrEricDing No, but I was VERY involved with SARS (google niman sars) and it has been obvious for some time that 2019-nCoV is MUCH worse than SARS with regard to transmission and CFR Today's update from Hubei has 72 deaths and 44 discharges to date Hubei nCoV Cases Increase To 1052 - Deaths to 52 View: https://twitter.com/hniman/status/1221625900506263554?s=20
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
巴丢草 Badiucao‏Verified account @badiucao 3m3 minutes ago

video from Shantou,Guangdong province,people are panic and trying to get enough rice out of fear of city quarantine due to the outbreak of #wuhancorona #coronoavirus the city has earlier declared locking down but lately withdrawed. #ChinaCoronaVirus

Well, that was interesting. These people are panicking about a new virus, want to be able to feed their families, and they’re scooping rice from open bins into their bags with their bare hands. :(
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Xinqi Su 蘇昕琪‏ @XinqiSu 1m1 minute ago

#LATEST 30 provinces reported a titla of 2,744 confirmed cases and 80 deaths by the end of Jan 26. There were 5,794 suspected cases and 32,799 close contacts tracked down, National Health Commission reported.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Thank you I didn't know that. On a side note, I had a family member in MD Anderson and she had viral pneumonia. The doctor spoke to me in the hall and told me that they had nothing to treat Viral pneumonia. He told me to buy echinacea/goldenseal 380MG and give it to my family member twice a day, it will dry out the lungs. He said if you tell anyone I told you that, you're a liar.

We also gave it for years to my Mom who was bedridden in a nursing home, she never got pneumonia. I realize this is something different we are dealing with, but we deal with it as best we can.

Regarding the 5 million flying out of Wuhan. I don't remember where I saw or read it but it was someone that lived in China. They also said that Xi and the royal rulers have relocated to an Island.

Thank you for this valuable info! Noted.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member


Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China's biowarfare program







By Bill Gertz - The Washington Times
Sunday, January 26, 2020
The deadly animal-borne coronavirus spreading globally may have originated in a laboratory in the city of Wuhan linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, said an Israeli biological warfare analyst.
Radio Free Asia last week rebroadcast a Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, known the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.

Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese biological warfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert bio-weapons program.
“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese BW alignment,” Mr. Shoham told The Washington Times.
Work on biological weapons is conducted as part of dual civilian-military research and is “definitely covert,” he said in an email.
Mr. Shoham holds a doctorate in medical microbiology. From 1970 to 1991, he was a senior analyst with Israeli military intelligence for biological and chemical warfare in the Middle East and worldwide. He held the rank of lieutenant colonel.
China has denied having any offensive biological weapons, but a State Department report last year revealed suspicions of covert biological warfare work.

A Chinese Embassy spokesman did not return an email seeking comment.
Chinese authorities said they do not know the origin of the coronavirus, which has killed at least 80 and infected thousands.
Gao Fu, director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, told state-controlled media that initial signs indicated the virus originated from wild animals sold at a seafood market in Wuhan.
One ominous sign, said a U.S. official, is that false rumors circulating on the Chinese internet claim the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons. That could indicate China is preparing propaganda outlets to counter any charges that the new coronavirus escaped from one of Wuhan’s civilian or defense research laboratories.
The World Health Organization is calling the microbe novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV. At a meeting Thursday in Geneva, the organization stopped short of declaring a public health emergency of international concern.
China has deployed military forces to Wuhan to halt all travel out of the city of 11 million people in an effort to contain the outbreak of the virus, which causes pneumonialike symptoms.
The Wuhan institute has studied coronaviruses including the strain that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), H5N1 influenza virus, Japanese encephalitis and dengue. Researchers at the institute also have studied the germ that causes anthrax, a biological agent once developed in Russia.
“Coronaviruses [particularly SARS] have been studied in the institute and are probably held therein,” Mr. Shoham said. “SARS is included within the Chinese BW program, at large, and is dealt with in several pertinent facilities.”
It is not known whether the institute’s coronaviruses are specifically included in China’s biological weapons program but it is possible, he said.
Asked whether the new coronavirus may have leaked, Mr. Shoham said: “In principle, outward virus infiltration might take place either as leakage or as an indoor unnoticed infection of a person that normally went out of the concerned facility. This could have been the case with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but so far there isn’t evidence or indication for such incident.”
After researchers sequence the genome of the new coronavirus, they might be able to determine or suggest its origin or source.
Biological weapons convention
Mr. Shoham, now with the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar Ilan University in Israel, said the virology institute is the only declared site in China known as P4 for pathogen level 4. That status indicates the institute uses the strictest safety standards to prevent the spread of the most dangerous and exotic microbes being studied.
The former Israeli military intelligence doctor also said suspicions were raised about the Wuhan Institute of Virology when a group of Chinese virologists working in Canada improperly sent to China samples of what he described as some of the deadliest viruses on earth, including the Ebola virus.
In a July article in the journal Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses, Mr. Shoham said the Wuhan institute was one of four Chinese laboratories engaged in some aspects of biological weapons development.
He said the secure Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory at the institute was engaged in research on the Ebola, Nipah and Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever viruses.
The Wuhan virology institute is under the Chinese Academy of Sciences, but certain laboratories within it “have linkage with the PLA or BW-related elements within the Chinese defense establishment,” he said.
In 1993, China declared a second facility, the Wuhan Institute of Biological Products, as one of eight biological warfare research facilities covered by the Biological Weapons Convention, which China joined in 1985.
The Wuhan Institute of Biological Products is a civilian facility but is linked to the Chinese defense establishment. Mr. Shoham said it is thought to be involved in the Chinese Biological Weapons Convention program. China’s vaccine against SARS is probably produced there.
“This means the SARS virus is held and propagated there, but it is not a new coronavirus unless the wild type has been modified, which is not known and cannot be speculated at the moment,” he said.
The annual State Department report on arms treaty compliance stated last year that China engaged in activities that could support biological warfare.
“Information indicates that the People’s Republic of China engaged during the reporting period in biological activities with potential dual-use applications, which raises concerns regarding its compliance with the BWC,” said the report, adding that the United States suspects China failed to eliminate its biological warfare program as required by the treaty.
“The United States has compliance concerns with respect to Chinese military medical institutions’ toxin research and development because of the potential dual-use applications and their potential as a biological threat,” the report said.
The biosafety lab is about 20 miles from the Hunan Seafood Market, which reports from China say may have been the origin point of the virus.
Rutgers University microbiologist Richard Ebright told London’s Daily Mail that “at this point there’s no reason to harbor suspicions” that the lab may be linked to the virus outbreak.

Copyright © 2020 The Washington Times, LLC
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Bev, there is no benefit to alter one's medical guidance and pharmacological regiment from their own MD to prepare for something that hasn't even come close to being a pandemic here (not saying it isn't coming). When the time comes to possibly alter medication being taken my suggestion would be talk to your doctor, not an internet 'expert'.

Agreed, and I hope everyone else agrees. Thanks for your reply.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Global Times‏Verified account @globaltimesnews 4m4 minutes ago

The Chongqing Municipal Epidemic Prevention and Control Leading Group has announced that starting from 12:00pm on Mon, Chongqing will suspend inter-provincial road passenger shuttle bus and inter-provincial passenger charter bus operations: press conference #WuhanCoronavirus
 

Flashyzipp

Veteran Member
Can you even imagine the United States ever preventing people from traveling to another state? What the heck would they do here?
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
巴丢草 Badiucao‏Verified account @badiucao 3m3 minutes ago

video from Shantou,Guangdong province,people are panic and trying to get enough rice out of fear of city quarantine due to the outbreak of #wuhancorona #coronoavirus the city has earlier declared locking down but lately withdrawed. #ChinaCoronaVirus


Northern Watch---I don't know how to post a twitter video, but this is the same guy who earlier had the video of the hysterical nurse crying because they are so overwhelmed and exhausted in the hospitals--and OUT of supplies, medicines, any support at all.

This same guy has several videos of MORE of the "exotic" food choices of the Chinese--and it SHOWS a man EATING LIVE BABY MICE (a bowlful of them crawling around is visible on the table)--he picks up a squirming baby mouse with his chopsticks, dips it in a sauce--and plops the still-squirming live mouse in his mouth!

Even if it was an experimental sample of the virus which escaped from a lab, such eating habits and total lack of and considerations of food hygiene would make the population an EASY mark....


Do you know HOW to post these other Twitter videos? Because I have no idea how to do that.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
And if you want to go supernova woo a potential plot line is this is China doing a drill to see if they can really control their population en masse. For what nefarious purposes we as yet do not know. Insert theme song from the movie Exorcist.

supernova. Woo?

try this:

what if this is a deep state exercise to get everyone vaccinated up the Ying yang with something that everyone will later regret?

or:

what if this is the really big final push to force ( or inadvertently drag) everyone into a cashless world,
mark of the beast regime, no buying or selling without your registered “tattoo”/chip or retina scan?
 
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Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
Apparently, once we’re chipped, we’ll be allowed to buy and consume bamboo rats, horseshoe bats, and poisonous snakes. Now that’s what I call a brave new world.
 
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ktrapper

Veteran Member
Maybe a bad place to ask but where do I find the Elderberry syrup recipe?

 
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