Be Well
may all be well
People are omnivores; they eat what's out there.
Humans should use some discrimination.
Pigs eat excrement and enjoy it and get nutrition, should humans follow suit?
People are omnivores; they eat what's out there.
I work in a hospital as an RN providing direct patient care.I asked my manager today if she knows of any guidelines that have come to the hospital from the CDC,or of any contingency plans in place at our hospital if ebola were to become a threat in our area.
She replied none that she is aware of,but we do have policy/ procedure in place for dealing with disasters in general,and have conducted mock drills for biohazard and decontamination.
As anyone who works in the healthcare field knows,we are woefully inadequate at dealing with ANY outbreak of this magnitude.There are a limited amount of negative isolation rooms in each hospital,PPE is inadequate,as our isolation gowns are paper thin ,fluid permeable and do not even cover you below the knees!
And emergency rooms are a petrie dish of infection in the best of times!
My husband works in a hospital as well.I don't have much faith that at least 1 of us wouldn't be exposed inadvertantly if this virus is not stopped soon!
I was always mentally prepared to some extent for your garden variety doom.Economic collapse,WW3,terrorism etc but for me,this ebola doom came out of left field.This isn't the way I wanted to go out!!!
Humans should use some discrimination.
Pigs eat excrement and enjoy it and get nutrition, should humans follow suit?
Some salt, high fructose corn syrup, a colorful wrapper and a great marketing campaign and IT WILL SELL!Humans should use some discrimination.
Pigs eat excrement and enjoy it and get nutrition, should humans follow suit?
From Zimbabwe to China (cargo ship cocky businessman or arrogant Chin officer.It is clear the failure of Nigerian authorities to immediately quarantine Mr. Sawyer and the hundreds of people who came into contact with him on his journey to the Lagos International Airport is a decisive event in human history. We can confirm, by the spread of the new cases, there were at least several runners. The runners have now spread Ebola to several additional areas of Nigeria that are some distance away from Lagos. Port Harcout, the eastern city, as well as an unknown number of central and northern Nigerian cities are starting to have potential cases of Ebola. The blunt truth is the ability to do even minimal testing is leading to a severe crisis when these people are eventually, repeat eventually, brought in vomiting etc. We are then "told" the Ebola virus has not been confirmed, testing will be done YADA YADA YADA. It is too late by then for any credible effort to prevent the further spread of Ebola in these new infection zones in Nigeria. Again, by the time the Ebola "suspects" are noticed by the local health authorities they have been running around for up to three weeks or so. We have no idea of how many other people were exposed.
The story of the vomiting man being admitted to that hospital, treated by medical staff with no protective gear shows the level of chaos now common. You would think by now in Nigeria, the instant anybody showed up at a hospital with any type of potential Ebola symptoms they would go into full infection and aseptic protocols.
Doomer Doug is now calling it for Nigeria, much as a political race is called for the victor. There is now no way, repeat no way, Ebola can be stopped from spreading further in Nigeria. We will see new cases in the cities listed above. We will see additional cases in other cities as well. We will start to see the poorly prepared and supplied medical staff who dealt with these patients in complete ignorance start to die off. After that, Ebola will continue to spread elsewhere in Africa.
The DRC Ebola is also clearly on the move to other southern African countries. Ebola is now based in West Africa, Nigeria and the DRC. These are disease beachheads and will be expanded as the virus spreads more widely. Countries like Zimbabwe are likely to have the same kind of corrupt and incompetent response like Liberia has had.
It is a fatal error for the West to have not responded with dozens of planeloads of medical supplies into Africa. The West and Europe are going to pay a brutal price for that failure.
One more thing is my personal belief that Ebola will first start to appear in southern Europe, Spain and Italy from the thousands of fleeing Africans. Ebola will piggyback on the hordes of frantic refugees storming Europe.
We have now entered a lethal window of opportunity where the appearance of infected people will not be dealt with, tested, quarantined before they infect still more. I will grant the operational ability, the quality of the medical staff, the quality of the supply and logistic departments and the widespread knowledge of aseptic procedures will inhibit the spread of Ebola once it hits Europe and the USA. Still, it will be a function of exactly where the first patients show up. If they show up at a hospital in Detroit none of the above statements apply. There are many urban hospitals in large US cities that are about as good as the hospitals in Liberia and Nigeria.
I will want to see more documented and confirmed cases of Ebola in patients in both Europe and the USA before I hit the doomer siren.
"Should" is useful for philosophical discussions, but is not on point. When considering Ebola, we need to deal with reality.
Some salt, high fructose corn syrup, a colorful wrapper and a great marketing campaign and IT WILL SELL!
Needs polysorbate 80, sodium benzoate and Red #40.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...an-doctor-infected-ebola-charity-says-n193911
The new case comes two weeks after Dr. Kent Brantly and his colleague Nancy Writebol, who worked for SIM, walked out of an Atlanta hospital virus-free after being infected and evacuated from Liberia.
If people in these locations where people eat fruit bats are told "If you eat fruit bats you will get horribly sick and DIE and infect your whole family who will get horribly sick and DIE and they will infect many more people who will get horribly sick and DIE" I think everyone who heard that message would stop doing eating fruit bats.
Here is the latest from zerohege.com with a few comments. Nigeria has blown it utterly. It will take some time, but it is clear Ebola is now entrenched in Nigeria and spreading.
Is that chart above saying there have been 30000 deaths so far? If so wow.
Edit: ok never mind that's a projected trend.
Tue, 09/02/2014 - 11:40 | 5171283 NoDebt
That's projected. 25 weeks from June 24th. Sometime around Christmas this year.
Ho, ho, ho.
From PFI, Pixie's bolding. MSF and Samaritan's Purse are both accusing, and rightfully so, the WHO's total lack of response, for months, to ebola. The question people should be asking is "Why? Don't they have money, huge staff, doctors, knowledge, people in many countries, etcetc? Why have they done basically nothing and ignored ebola since March?"
Keep in mind who the director is and what country she represents and what that country's interests are in Africa.
“The clock is ticking and Ebola is winning,” said Dr. Liu. “The time for meetings and planning is over. It is now time to act. Every day of inaction means more deaths and the slow collapse of societies.”
... a WHO spokeswoman said in Freetown Tuesday.”We are a different part in one big piece,” said Nika Allexandra.
Ms Alexandra also rejected claims that her organization’s response to the Sierra Leone crisis was lukewarm.
She said a lot of what WHO does is behind the scene work and that it would seem that they were not doing anything to some people.
She cited the production of the Ebola treatment guideline, among others, as an example of what they do.
My comment: Working "behind the scenes", eh? Fat freaking lot of good it's doing.
I wouldn't bank on that. There's a caste in India who eat rats. They've eaten rats for generations. You think they're going to throw all that away because you tell them eating rats is bad?
If some stranger came from a foreign country to your county and told you that eating pancakes would kill you, would you stop eating pancakes?
Greetings, amarah: Thank you very much for giving us an in-the-trenches perspective. I can tell you after following the progression of the spread of Ebola since March/April and the prolific incompetence, willful cognitive dissonance, and contemptible "wishful willful ignorance" to quote bw, that I see from near and far leave me with an unutterable terror when I draw this out to it's logical conclusion. This shite is going global and I sincerely believe that no one other the Lord God of the Living Bible can stop it. Period.
"My husband works in a hospital as well. I don't have much faith that at least 1 of us wouldn't be exposed inadvertently if this virus is not stopped soon"! It [the spreading] won't be because of the H2H2H2H2 ad infinitum and I believe your assessment will come to pass if/and unless you both take a very long sabbatical...and soon. I think/believe that there are more people in the Healthcare arena who are coming to same uncomfortable conclusions just like you are. Obamacare might have been a catalyst for thinking of going in another direction...Ebola pretty much puts the icing on the cake.
Take care. BREWER
PS Thanks for the tip on survivalistboards.com
Is this the correct area? Thanks...again.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=361235
Thanks for your reply,Brewer.I am really at a loss,and don't feel like I have many options.My husband and I are in our early 50's and really have no "back up" profession/skills.Although if TSHTF as far as ebola goes,I guess there is no safe place to be.But what does one do for income,preps can only go so far
How are all of you dealing with this?To me, as "awake"as I am, it's hard to fathom that this could really play out here in the US.Will it fizzle like some of the other events like y2k for example? Or am I just overreacting, imagining a worse case scenerio?There is a part of me that wants to think it will all be okay,but....Just thinking aloud and wrestling with my thoughts.
Brewer,the link you provided is for the ebola prep thread.There is also an Offical Discussion Thread.I just go to "today's posts" and you will always find it on page 1 or 2.
Thank you all for your hard work in posting the latest news on this threat.
God bless and keep us all.
PS Can I join you all in pitching my tent in Camp Fooked?
It is painfully obvious, "they" don't want it contained. Otherwise, "they", as in all those foundations that supposedly do goodwill around the world, would be moving heaven and earth to get the PPE to those nations. It's not like we don't have plenty in the Western world, that has been put back for nuke or biological war.
Thanks for your reply,Brewer.I am really at a loss,and don't feel like I have many options.My husband and I are in our early 50's and really have no "back up" profession/skills.Although if TSHTF as far as ebola goes,I guess there is no safe place to be.But what does one do for income,preps can only go so far
How are all of you dealing with this?To me, as "awake"as I am, it's hard to fathom that this could really play out here in the US.Will it fizzle like some of the other events like y2k for example? Or am I just overreacting, imagining a worse case scenerio?There is a part of me that wants to think it will all be okay,but....Just thinking aloud and wrestling with my thoughts.
Brewer,the link you provided is for the ebola prep thread.There is also an Offical Discussion Thread.I just go to "today's posts" and you will always find it on page 1 or 2.
Thank you all for your hard work in posting the latest news on this threat.
God bless and keep us all.
PS Can I join you all in pitching my tent in Camp Fooked?
AR15ER Good to see you posting. Recognized your avatar. Pretty long time member. Nothing like TB2K.
Difference is pancakes do not kill people who eat them. It's not a question of "bad" as in "immoral", it's a question of "dangerous".
Thanks for your reply,Brewer.I am really at a loss,and don't feel like I have many options.My husband and I are in our early 50's and really have no "back up" profession/skills.Although if TSHTF as far as ebola goes,I guess there is no safe place to be.But what does one do for income,preps can only go so far
How are all of you dealing with this?To me, as "awake"as I am, it's hard to fathom that this could really play out here in the US.Will it fizzle like some of the other events like y2k for example? Or am I just overreacting, imagining a worse case scenerio?There is a part of me that wants to think it will all be okay,but....Just thinking aloud and wrestling with my thoughts.
Brewer,the link you provided is for the ebola prep thread.There is also an Offical Discussion Thread.I just go to "today's posts" and you will always find it on page 1 or 2.
Thank you all for your hard work in posting the latest news on this threat.
God bless and keep us all.
PS Can I join you all in pitching my tent in Camp Fooked?
cigarettes are dangerous. Slow, yes, but still dangerous. Not to many smokers heed that warning.
Now let's add a "for instance" to these events. There was an older woman (older than ME..so 60's) in a 100k car about 5 cars ahead of us today at a stoplight-leaning OUT her door puking. NOT something you see the upper crust do here in the Dallas area-in the middle of the afternoon.
So-considering that Dr. Brantley has family NOT TOO FAR from here....was she:
A. A chemo patient? (not likely...hair well done, dressed up and driving solo)
B. Hangover from night before? (Possibly. About 3pm...most people would have tossed all their cookies by then)
C. Hangover from Lunch? (Possibly. Didn't seem to be driving funny though.)
D. Someone who had some recent contact with Dr. B??
This would have been a highly unusual event in any environment. You just don't SEE this in the "nice neighborhoods" in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area in the middle of the day. UNTIL it becomes too obvious to hide-the CDC and the WHO are going to continue to downplay HOW this strain is transmitted.
I don't think this is going to fizzle do all you can do to prepare and then wait ...y2k was stopped by thousands of man hours put in by programmers all over the world y2k was a real threat I didn't find that fact out until 2006 when I became friend with a programmer that had a basement full of preps and kept his family home ..All the work he did and countless others and he wasn't sure it was enough to stop the computer melt down So saying that to say this ...If you prepared for y2k you were smart and well informed Just like now it is very smart to prepare for Ebola ...
The question people should be asking is "Why? Don't they have money, huge staff, doctors, knowledge, people in many countries, etcetc?
http://www.cfr.org/diseases-infectious/ebola-outbreak/p33318GARRETT: Well, it's true. There are a number of different groups. The CDC, our Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is sending some time in the next couple of days 50 individuals on site to assist. But we don't have -- I know that there's a myth out there, and people believe that there's some kind of giant WHO office in Geneva stock full of specialized response equipment, skilled, talented health care workers, and they have their own special jet and they go swooping into epidemics. This is absolutely ludicrous.
Not only do we not have any such thing, the WHO is essentially bankrupt and has only the power of rhetoric in order to try -- and of the international health regulations in order to try and move the ball forward. And that's going to be the big news this week.
As a programmer, yes Y2K was a BIG problem. It was fixed with BIG money. A technical problem is much easier to fix than people think, just throw brains and cash at it. This is different. The difficulties result from behaviors, from self preservation and CYA mentalities of those 'in charge'. From denial, normalcy bias, and the fact that Africa is 'so far away'. 10-12 hours actually. It can get to NY from Nigeria faster than you can drive from NY to Miami.
If an African had means and suspected he might be exposed, the first thing he would do is get a flight to the US and drop over here where he could get some decent medical care. Kiss everyone in between goodbye.
When Stewart went down and they said they needed to follow up with 30,000 people, only an idiot would believe this would be contained. They are just trying to keep you amused until they can come up with a contingency.
What do you think would happen to the economy if?
A stock broker fell over bleeding from the nose and ears on the trading floor.
People start getting infected at Wal-Mart (the nations largest employer and where all the welfare money is spent)
We have 5,000 SUSPECTED cases and the entire medical system is brought to its knees
All fresh food like meat and vegetables became suspect