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Abert

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Looks like maybe the US does have a PLAN B

US troops in Moldova in emerging Plan B for Ukraine​

Moldova could be envisioned as staging area for US and NATO forces in the event of a Russian victory and break up of Ukraine

Big trouble may be brewing in little Moldova, which is starting to look like a staging area for the European Union to offset an emerging Russian victory in Ukraine. Whether such a plan, if attempted, would succeed is not clear. But Moldova is not the most stable country in the world with the nation split between pro-EU and pro-Russian elements.

US troops are now in Moldova with Romanians, ostensibly for a military exercise called JCET 2024 (Joint Command Exchange Training). The exercise started on April 1 and will continue until April 19.
 

FreedomoftheHills

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Pretty vague headline...

I do know that US Nuclear subs often dock at Tromso - but that should not be a detectable radiation source unless something catastrophic has happened with a sub!

More on this story, from March:


Also, not the first time in recent years that coastal Norway has been the source of a "mysterious" iodine-131 spike...

 
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Tristan

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Putin Has Nothing to Gain and Everything to Lose

First off, the theory that Putin will invade other countries if he wins in Ukraine is nonsense. The Russian army lacks the men and materiel to occupy Ukraine while simultaneously invading other countries.

This isn’t the Soviet Union with its massive tank armies poised to roll over Western Europe. And Soviet communism is long dead, so there’s no ideological basis for Russia to invade Europe. These days Russia is a conservative, Orthodox Christian nation.

But more importantly, Putin has absolutely no incentive to invade any of these nations, which are NATO members.

What does Europa have that he wants?......Nothing

All it would do is trigger Article 5 of the NATO Charter, which stipulates that an attack on one member is an attack on all, inviting a massive NATO response. At that point, you’re on the fast track to nuclear war.

Putin is fully aware of that.

Fearmongers like to point to what Putin once said in a speech: “Whoever doesn’t miss the Soviet Union doesn’t have a heart.”

They take that as proof that he wants to recreate the Soviet Union. But they conveniently omit what he said next:

“Whoever wants it back doesn’t have a brain.”

Whatever you think of Putin, he definitely has a brain.
He has no intention to restore the Soviet Union.

What does Europa have that he wants?......Nothing


The counter-question, then, is what does Russia have, that Europa wants?
 

Housecarl

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jward

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Norway plans to raise its military spending by an accumulated 600 billion crowns ($56 billion) through 2036 to bolster its defence against Russia and other security challenges, govt says - Reuters

"This plan represents a historic boost in defence spending, and involves a significant strengthening of all branches of the armed forces," Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere said.

6:46 AM · Apr 5, 2024
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jward

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Bold move or reckless escalation? Debate flares on U.S., Western troops in Ukraine fight​



It has been a red line for President Biden since the U.S. and its NATO allies first rushed to Ukraine‘s defense after the Russian invasion of early 2022, but the prohibition on American and Western combat boots on the ground in the war is itself under fresh attack.

Keeping the door open to Western troops in Ukraine, French President Emmanuel Macron explained recently, is an example of the kind of “strategic ambiguity” that could keep the Kremlin guessing and perhaps even pave the way to eventual peace.

But specialists say Mr. Macron likely had a secondary, perhaps equally powerful motivation: To seize the rhetorical high ground from the Biden administration, which has repeatedly throughout the Ukraine-Russia war gone to great lengths to avoid any steps that could be viewed by Moscow as “escalatory.”




In that sense, Mr. Macron may be positioning France as a more forceful leader on the European stage by floating an idea — the placement of actual NATO or European ground forces in Ukraine — that other leading world powers, including the U.S., seem to flatly reject.

“I think it would actually be a positive step,” said John E. Herbst, senior director of the Atlantic Council’s Eurasia Center and former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, who argued that Western troops in Ukraine might represent a shift in a long-running dynamic that has seen Russian President Vladimir Putin use the threat of escalation as an effective weapon to keep NATO at bay.

“What Putin has done with some success is to intimidate the West, especially the White House … against taking stronger measures in their own self interest by threatening nuclear escalation,” Mr. Herbst said in an interview.

While he fights to get a $60 billion Ukraine military aid package through an increasingly skeptical Congress, Mr. Biden shows no signs of softening on his self-imposed ban on U.S. forces entering the war.

As recently as last month’s State of the Union address, the president told lawmakers that the Ukrainians themselves “are not asking for American soldiers.”

“In fact, there are no American soldiers at war in Ukraine — and I am determined to keep it that way,” Mr. Biden said.

But just by openly discussing idea, Mr. Herbst said, Mr. Macron has shifted the debate on Ukraine in a serious way.

“It reflects the fact that Macron finally sees Putin as a danger to the West, to France,” Mr. Herbst said. “And Macron loves to tweak the United States and sees weakness in Biden’s policy.”

The Biden administration strongly disputes that its Ukraine policy is weak. Officials stress that the U.S. has led the way in providing weapons and other aid to the Ukrainian military before and during its war with Russia, and they point out that Washington has aggressively targeted the Kremlin with an unprecedented slate of economic sanctions over the past two years.

But the administration has often appeared slow to provide Ukraine with the specific weapons, vehicles, fighter jets and missile systems that it wants, largely out of fear of provoking Russia into escalating the war. Critics say that approach has allowed Russia to often set the terms of the conflict and to seize the initiative from the West.

Putting U.S. or European troops in Ukraine could perhaps seize it back and place Moscow on the defensive.

Changing the conversation

Against that backdrop, Mr. Macron‘s initial comments shook the foreign policy establishment both in the U.S. and Europe, where the idea of sending troops to Ukraine and seemingly inviting a broader war with Mr. Putin‘s army had long been viewed as a non-starter.

At a gathering of European leaders in Paris on Feb. 26, he said the idea should not be unilaterally taken off the table.

“There’s no consensus today to send in an official, endorsed manner troops on the ground. But in terms of dynamics, nothing can be ruled out,” he said in remarks that seemingly caught his European counterparts off guard.

Within hours, top officials in Germany and Poland made clear they aren’t sending troops to Ukraine. The White House followed suit.

“President Biden has been crystal clear since the beginning of this conflict: There will be no U.S. troops on the ground in a combat role there in Ukraine,” White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters a day after Mr. Macron‘s suggestion.

Even NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg pushed back on the suggestion.”NATO allies are providing unprecedented support to Ukraine. We have done that since 2014 and stepped up after the full-scale invasion. But there are no plans for NATO combat troops on the ground in Ukraine,” he told the Associated Press after Mr. Macron‘s initial comments.

Russian officials also quickly seized on Mr. Macron‘s trial balloon, warning Moscow would respond if Western nations directly joined the fight.

“The very fact of discussing the possibility of sending certain contingents to Ukraine from NATO countries is a very important new element,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters days after Mr. Macron spoke. “In that case, we would need to talk not about the probability, but about the inevitability” of a direct conflict between Russia and NATO.

Both Mr. Kirby’s and Mr. Stoltenberg’s comments referred to “combat” forces, potentially allowing some wiggle room if Western powers eventually want to send more personnel to act in non-combat capacities.

Despite some pushback, the French president stood by his position. In an interview with French media on March 14, Mr. Macron said “all these options are possible” when asked about sending troops to Ukraine, and he stressed that “to have peace in Ukraine, we must not be weak.”

“If war was to spread to Europe, it would be Russia’s sole choice and sole responsibility. But for us to decide today to be weak, to decide today that we would not respond, is being defeated already. And I don’t want that,” the French leader said

From a purely public relations point of view, specialists say Mr. Macron scored a significant win.”He’s contrasting French vision with American timidity. It’s a good look,” Mr. Herbst said. “And especially to people in eastern Europe.”

While the White House has seemingly ruled out the idea, some retired U.S. military officials say that sending Western personnel to Ukraine should be considered. Sending combat troops to actually fight against Russian forces on the front lines seems all but impossible, but there are some analysts who argue that NATO nations could send logistical support staff or even help set up and operate an impenetrable air defense system in eastern Ukraine.

“If you could get Americans or Western Europeans, or whoever, running a very tight air-defense system to knock down all those missiles, the [Russian] Kinzals and all the Iskanders that are coming across the [Dnieper] River, if you could do that, that would be very helpful, and it wouldn’t threaten any Russian life,” Retired U.S. Army Col. Alexander Crowther said in a recent interview with Radio Free Europe.

“You’d have to be really clear to Putin [and] say, ‘We’re sending people to Ukraine, they’re not going to be doing offensive combat against you. Anything that crosses the Dnieper is dead,’” he said. “It’s not a no-fly zone, it’s air defense.”
 

jward

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#BREAKING: Evacuations underway as dam breach reported in Orsk, Russia.

#Orsk | #Russia

A dam has bursted on the Ural River in Orsk, Russia, prompting evacuations. The city is beginning to be flooded, and it’s being reported that if the dam completely breaks, the waters of the Ural River could flood more than 4,000 houses. Rescuers are currently trying to stop the breakthrough and are working to strengthen the dam.
View: https://twitter.com/RawsGlobal/status/1776309962702016804
 

jward

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NEW: Russia declares ‘state of emergency’ after radiation leak detected in Khabarovsk - report
 

jward

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Russian military ‘almost completely reconstituted,’ US official says


Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu arrives to take part in a wreath laying ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Alexander Garden on Defender of the Fatherland Day, in Moscow, Russia, Friday, Feb. 23, 2024. (Alexander Kazakov, Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP)

Russia has rebuilt its military after suffering enormous losses during its invasion of Ukraine, according to a U.S. State Department official.

“We have assessed over the course of the last couple of months that Russia has almost completely reconstituted militarily,” said Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell at an event hosted by the Center for a New American Security.

Campbell’s assessment seems to contradict those of the Pentagon and America’s allies in Europe.

At a meeting of countries that support Ukraine late last month, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said that Russia had suffered more than 315,000 casualties during the war. With a drop in American aid, leading to ammunition shortages on Ukraine’s front lines, Russian forces have advanced. But those too have been costly, the Pentagon has said.

In an interview earlier this year, the chair of Lithuania’s national security committee estimated it would take Russia between five and seven years to reconstitute its forces for a full-scale war.

Still Moscow has surged defense spending since 2022 — up to 6% of national GDP in its 2024 budget. The rise is part of a larger effort by the Kremlin to move its economy, and in particular its defense industry, onto a wartime footing.

Part of its success comes from China’s support, along with that from North Korea and Iran. Both Campbell and another senior administration official, speaking with reporters this week on the condition of anonymity, said that China has helped its partner endure economic and military setbacks in the last two years.

“We’ve really seen the [People’s Republic of China] start to help to rebuild Russia’s defense industrial base, essentially backfilling the trade from European partners” that lapsed when Russia invaded, the official said.

President Joe Biden addressed this concern in a call with Chinese leader Xi Jinping Tuesday, according to a White House readout.

Moscow’s success has added pressure to the government in Kyiv, which this week lowered the draft age from 27 to 25 amid losses on the front lines. Ukraine is still hoping for a giant infusion of American aid still held up in Congress. House Speaker Mike Johnson has so far refused to call that national security supplemental for a vote, though he recently signaled one could come under certain conditions.

Without it, Ukraine’s armed forces will continue needing to ration ammunition and air defense on the front lines and around the country. Still, that doesn’t mean the front lines are verging on collapse, said Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff CQ Brown.

“Does it make it more complicated, more challenging for the Ukrainians without the supplemental — yes,” said Brown at an event hosted last week by the Defense Writers Group. “But they’ve been able to defend fairly well.”

Noah Robertson is the Pentagon reporter at Defense News. He previously covered national security for the Christian Science Monitor. He holds a bachelor’s degree in English and government from the College of William & Mary in his hometown of Williamsburg, Virginia.

 

jward

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Please note that Polish and allied aircraft operate in the airspace, which may result in increased noise levels, especially in the south-eastern part of the country.

Tonight, intense long-range aviation activity of the Russian Federation is being observed, related to missile strikes against objects located on the territory of Ukraine.

All necessary procedures to ensure the safety of Polish airspace have been launched, and DO RSZ is monitoring the situation on an ongoing basis.
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1776436460008226996
 

Abert

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What is interesting is the US still has around $4 BILLION in draw-down military aid they can send anytime - makes you wonder why this problem?

Pentagon defends pace of weapon shipments as Ukraine worries it’s too late​


While the Pentagon continues to advocate for the gradual supply of weapons to Ukraine, officials in Kiev say that the assistance is coming too slowly and that it may already be too late to help Kiev tilt the conflict in its favor, writes

High-ranking Ukrainian officials have previously admitted that they can no longer defend the front lines.

"Nothing can help Ukraine now," said one official.


According to them, the West lacks the technology to assist Ukraine, and it is not sending weapons quickly enough.

"Although the arrival of F-16 fighters can only be welcomed, they would have been more useful a year ago, said one senior officer," the article says.

Originally expected to arrive in Ukraine by the end of 2023, the planes are now awaited by the end of this spring, when pilot training will be completed.

Meanwhile, Kiev seems to be taking increasingly desperate measures, indicating that things are not going well for it. For example, Zelensky reduced the minimum draft age from 27 to 25 this week amid Ukrainian men's evasion of military service.


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Abert

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Ukraine embraces far-right Russian ‘bad guy’ to take the battle to Putin​

German authorities say Kapustin — sometimes known as Denis Nikitin — is “one of the most influential neo-Nazi activists” on the European continent,

Lots of SPIN in the article but the headlines tells it all
 

Abert

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View: https://youtu.be/oxIQI8R25CM?si=L7HoOwPqGqAoyz4d

3:53 minutes

A preliminary analysis of the Ukrainian drone attack on air base deep inside Russia.

We must wait for satellite imagery for confirmation before we can celebrate.

View: https://youtu.be/cT2F07Uvl-s?si=oH7ChyZQLDBoJAcD

8:46 minutes

More discussion. Maybe 14 airplanes destroyed, worth millions.
Once AGAIN - just more - FEEL GOOD - PR and SPIN - it is good for headlines but as normal - a few days later just more BS
Even the hard core The Institute for the Study of War has had to call BS on this.

ISW finds no visual evidence of Russian aircraft being hit at airbases​

ISW has yet to find any visual evidence that Ukrainian forces have damaged or destroyed aircraft or infrastructure at any of the four Russian airbases targeted by drones on the night of 4-5 April.
 

JeanCat

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I'll take "Reckless escallation" for 500 Trillion Candlepower, Alex!
I take it you are predicting the weather! I take your weather report to be hot and sunny and 5,000 degrees. If I am wrong on your weather report, please correct. It is very important to me whether I try to go out and start getting my tan for the summer.
 

Abert

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The Looming Ukraine Debacle​

There is indeed a serious risk that, rather than the West teaching Russia a lesson and putting Putin in his place, the opposite may occur.
With Ukraine’s military situation deteriorating, NATO foreign ministers have gathered in Brussels to develop a long-term plan to deliver the necessary supplies to Kyiv. As NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg put it, “Ukrainians are not running out of courage, they are running out of ammunition.” Distracted by other matters, America increasingly looks to Europe to coordinate the defense of Ukraine. But, other than scrambling for shells and money or unveiling a modest EU defense industry strategy, European leaders do not appear to have the ideas or the means to intervene in a decisive or timely fashion.

What is lacking throughout the discourse is realism. What is the real balance of power between the warring nations, and what can be concluded from two years of Russia-NATO hard power competition? Unsurprisingly, Western leaders are reluctant to admit that the dire situation facing Ukraine is related to their own fundamental miscalculations about Russia.

Russia was better prepared for the long haul
of military production and has also successfully innovated in response to the military setbacks it has experienced. The Russian military has adapted to conditions of near total battlefield visibility, the mass use of drones, and the vastly reduced power of tanks and aircraft. This includes innovative infantry assault tactics, new methods of using and countering drones, and, more recently, the devastating use of glide bombs that allow Russian air power to be used while evading anti-aircraft fire. On the tactical and operational level, Russia is engaging many parts of the front simultaneously, forcing Ukraine into an exhausting and constant redeployment of troops. Presenting Russian military successes as “human wave” or “meat assaults” is clearly inaccurate. Russia’s approach is gradual, attritional, and anything but mindless.
 

Abert

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The Russians Began Using Kalibr Missiles | Chasiv Yar Is On Verge.​

Latest updates (13 min)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dUrXwgctg8


Also some additional information on the difficulty's facing Russia with Chasiv Yar
What is the difficulty of storming Chasov Yar?

 

von Koehler

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View: https://youtu.be/DynxM7sRVGc?si=TD2HyWnLT4e_ZKvi

24:09 minutes

Analysis of recent Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries. Also, Ukraine is aiming for producing 2 million drones and expects receiving another million from their allies.

There will be multiple drones being aimed at each Russian conscript.

So, Putin can continue to mobilize new troops and Ukraine will be able to take them all out.
 

Abert

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View: https://youtu.be/DynxM7sRVGc?si=TD2HyWnLT4e_ZKvi

24:09 minutes

Analysis of recent Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries. Also, Ukraine is aiming for producing 2 million drones and expects receiving another million from their allies.

There will be multiple drones being aimed at each Russian conscript.

So, Putin can continue to mobilize new troops and Ukraine will be able to take them all out.
At some point REALITY needs to take over from these FEEL GOOD Propaganda posts
These "drone" strikes do get a nice fire for a day and posts - however repairs are often done in a few days
There has been ZERO impact to Russia's oil production, exports or income.

As reported in WESTERN Media

Russia’s Oil Exports By Sea Hit New 2024 Record​


Spiking oil prices helped Russia energy-tax revenue double last month​


Tax revenue from oil and gas nearly doubled from a year ago, Bloomberg reported.

Tax proceeds are based on the price of Urals crude, which spiked year-over-year.

Energy revenue still climbed despite stricter enforcement of Western sanctions.

Tax proceeds from Russia's energy sector jumped by 90% in March from a year ago, amid a surge in oil prices to multi-month highs, Bloomberg reported.

Last month, gas and oil revenue reached over 1.3 trillion rubles, nearly double the 688 billion rubles levied in the same month last year. Leading the increase were taxes on crude and petroleum products, the outlet said.
 

Housecarl

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Putin et al seem to be forgetting in all this bluster that the phrase "F*** around and Find Out" is a two way street. That goes as well for the "leadership" in the West....

Posted for fair use......

Russia Issues Nuclear Warning to New NATO Member​

Story by Thomas Kika
• 3h • 3 min read

A Russian ambassador had harsh words for Finland on Saturday, warning that the country would retaliate against the new member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) if nuclear weapons were placed on Finnish soil.

Finland is one of the newest European countries to join the military alliance, being officially welcomed into the fold in April 2023. The Nordic nation was spurred to seek membership by Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2023 and its increased threats of aggression against other nations. Sweden is the latest country admitted to NATO for this reason, joining on March 7.

Both nations announced that they were considering applying for membership in May of 2022, only a few months after the start of the Russia-Ukraine war.

Russia has long viewed NATO as an antagonistic force, given the influence of founding members like the United States and the United Kingdom. NATO members are also obliged to provide military aid to other members in the event of an attack, meaning that Russia risks a much larger conflict should it take action against the likes of Finland.

In a statement released Saturday via an interview with the state-run news agency, Tass, Pavel Kuznetsov, the Russian ambassador to Finland, said that the relationship between the two nations cannot go back to the way it used to be.

"Sooner or later, the relationship between the two neighbors will be restored. That's not going to happen as quickly as we might want though," the ambassador said. "Everything here will depend not so much on Helsinki, which has largely lost its independence in making decisions on foreign policy, but rather on the general policy course being pursued by Washington and Brussels toward Russia. In any case, there will be no return to the previous format of cooperation now that Finland has joined the aggressive military bloc [of NATO]."

Kuznetsov also warned Finland that Russia would respond should any NATO-backed nuclear weapons be placed on Finnish soil.

"Of course, we cannot but respond to potential decisions by the Finnish government in this sphere. Specific steps will be developed depending on real threats that these actions will pose to our security," he added. "The Finns cannot but realize that such a major provocation will not be left without a Russian response. However, we expect that common sense would prevail."

Newsweek reached out to the government of Finland via email for comment on Saturday afternoon.

Russian President Vladimir Putin denounced Finland's decision to become a NATO member last month, calling the neighboring country's accession a "senseless step" that had forced him to send weapons to the border during an interview with Russia state television propagandist Dmitry Kiselyov, according to European Pravda.

Finnish Prime Minister Petteri Orpo addressed the European Parliament in March, telling his allies that Russia was "not invincible" and urged them to rise to the "challenge" of supporting Ukraine and diminishing Moscow as a long-term threat to Europe.

"Russia continues to commit war crimes in Ukraine," he said. "Russia is evidently preparing for a long conflict with the West and represents a permanent and existential military threat to Europe. If we, as a united Europe, fail to respond sufficiently to this challenge, the coming years will be filled with danger and the looming threat of attack. We must pledge our support to Ukraine now for it to win this war, and at the same time enhance our own defense capabilities."

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jward

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Lew Anno Suport #Ukraine 24/2-22
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‼️⚠️ Russian Il-76TD that was to land in St. Petersburg crashed in the Gulf of Finland.

GPS JAMMING • tit-for-tat?

@WW3Info

View: https://twitter.com/anno1540/status/1776708379064320097
 

jward

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JUST IN: Germany's Chancellor Scholz says 'we are investing more in our own security and defense jointly as Europeans so that no one dares to attack us'

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jward

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The authorities intend to register not only men, but also all women between the ages of 18 and 60 in the register of conscripts.

It follows from the text of the law that Zelenski signed this week.

Article 13 of the law states that the authorities submit to the register data on all citizens of Ukraine between the ages of 18 and 60. That is, all women of the specified age will be included in the list of conscripts.

At the same time, it is further stated that the registry operators (Ministry of Defense, General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, SBU, Foreign Intelligence Service) will delete data on citizens who are not subject to military service.
View: https://twitter.com/Sprinterfactory/status/1776736189610889321
 

CaryC

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Lew Anno Suport #Ukraine 24/2-22
@anno1540
1h

‼️⚠️ Russian Il-76TD that was to land in St. Petersburg crashed in the Gulf of Finland.

GPS JAMMING • tit-for-tat?

@WW3Info

View: https://twitter.com/anno1540/status/1776708379064320097
a reply to Lew:

You don't NEED GPS to fly a plane. GPS just gives directions not aerodynamics.
 

Edward Luttwak: Time to Send NATO Troops​


Simplicius The Thinker
Apr 07, 2024

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The weekend’s standout story comes by way of Edward Luttwak, one of the so-called ‘premier military theorists’ in the West, openly calling for NATO intervention in Ukraine, lest the West suffer a “catastrophic defeat”:


It's time to send Nato troops to Ukraine
Luttwak has been an advisor for U.S. presidents and the U.S. military, as well as other world militaries. He’s also served in the IDF, which could explain his brazen machismo and lack of concern for morality or global safety. Many in the ‘beltway’ consider him a sort of modern Clausewitz, though it seems more like he’s just the military version of constitutional law’s Alan Dershowitz—i.e. a mediocrity elevated to god-like status for racial reasons owing to his valence to Zionist supremacy.

But despite what I may think of him, his noteworthy call for NATO troops in Ukraine must be given the tribune of analysis if only for his influence in the very policy centers and control mechanisms in Washington that could make such a move happen. An earlier Spectator piece writes: “When Edward Luttwak speaks, world leaders listen — and now they must consider heeding his advice on Ukraine.” And so we must listen too.

But more notable than the eye-catching quote that’s got everyone talking is Luttwak’s claim that NATO countries are already in the early stages of planning various types of contingents to be sent to Ukraine:

This arithmetic of this is inescapable: Nato countries will soon have to send soldiers to Ukraine, or else accept catastrophic defeat. The British and French, along with the Nordic countries, are already quietly preparing to send troops — both small elite units and logistics and support personnel — who can remain far from the front. The latter could play an essential role by releasing their Ukrainians counterparts for retraining in combat roles. Nato units could also relieve Ukrainians currently tied up in the recovery and repair of damaged equipment, and could take over the technical parts of existing training programmes for new recruits. These Nato soldiers might never see combat — but they don’t have to in order to help Ukraine make the most of its own scarce manpower.
Interestingly, he frames everything around the urgency of an imminent Chinese attack on Taiwan, which further adduces his poor analytical abilities. This snippet from a previous article on Luttwak tells you everything you need to know about him:



Either way, in light of his statements on NATO members preparing contingents for Ukraine, we have the following from Stephen Bryen:



US troops in Moldova in emerging Plan B for Ukraine - Asia Times
He writes that U.S. and Romanian troops are presently in Moldova for Joint Command Exchange Training and extrapolates that into the theory that Moldova is being prepped as a staging area to potentially take Odessa in the future. This comes after another drone attack on a radar installation in Pridnestrovie yesterday.



Not to mention this rumor:



I had mentioned in the comments the other day that there are rumors Russia is preparing a campaign for this summer of utilizing Su-34s for the first time to launch mass UMPK glide-bomb attacks on the Odessa and Ochakov regions from the Black Sea. It’s an interesting rumor in light of these developments as it brings to question whether it’s Russia upping the ante after latest signals of NATO’s increasing salivation over Odessa—or vice versa, NATO is getting nervous for the very reason that they realize Russia is set to increase the pressure on Odessa.

Two days ago Poland’s foreign minister Sikorski stated that NATO would establish an official “mission” in Ukraine:



https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/20448969
Which he claims does not mean they intend to send troops, necessarily, but rather that they can begin to officially coordinate amongst each other as an alliance in helping Ukraine—or so he says.

Just days before the Luttwak piece, Unherd published this other gem:



Is it time for a no-fly zone in Ukraine?
The article sneakily disguises a call for NATO to assume control of everything West of the Dnieper River by couching it as merely providing air cover. The author thinks NATO should defend all Ukrainian cities west of the Dnieper with actual NATO troops and air defense systems. He argues this isn’t much of a threat to Russia as they would only be shooting down Russian missiles and unmanned systems and not killing Russian pilots, who do not stray beyond the Dnieper.

In many ways, all such recent calls appear to be disguised attempts—in one form or another—of floating the trial balloon of Ukrainian partition. Why are they going about it this way? Because to outright say the word partition would be a devastatingly demoralizing blow to Ukraine, and would be rejected straightaway by Zelensky and co. But to first slip the idea in subtly and diplomatically, they’ve dressed it up as some heroic act of loyalty and allegiance, when in reality you can hear the burbles of talks growing louder recently about the inevitability of partition being the only realistic solution.

Recall I had already reported that once again, a new NATO summit this summer aims to dangle membership in front of Zelensky—just as they did last summer—and this time there’s rumors increasingly heavier ‘hints’ will be imparted about parting out Ukraine in exchange for such promises. We wrote when Macron first floated French deployment that part of the reasoning could be to merely secure the Dnieper to force a Korean style DMZ partition onto a recalcitrant Putin. In some ways it would be a perfect crowning ‘victory’ for NATO, which would allow them to sell it as their having stopped Putin in his tracks without firing a shot.

This common thread plays into what I wrote last time about the rumored ‘October Surprise’, where Ukraine could declare its new borders without Donbass. It seems a lot of movements appear to be heading toward this NATO-backed attempt to strongarm Russia into a DMZ. When would it happen? Precisely when Russian forces begin “breaking through” Ukrainian lines in force, presumably if and when Russia launches the much heavier offensives everyone expects in a few months.

But what’s important to note, is that no one country wants to be left to take the brunt of the Bear’s retaliation alone; nor even two or three of them together. That means such an action would likely only occur if a coalition of scaredy-cats was formed, and the chances of that are not great.

On that note, Luttwak ends his own earlier article with the following watery admission:



So, U.S. could provide a max 40k troops—recall most of the 101st stationed in Romania had already been redeployed to Jordan last year. Luttwak agrees that it would take most of the main NATO stalwarts for this plan to work, and they have already signaled a no-go. All combined, those countries could provide maybe 150-250k troops maximum, and that’s on the optimistic end. Meanwhile, Russia already has an entire fresh 500k man army raised by Shoigu waiting for them, which was created precisely to counter-act the new NATO threats, as I reported long ago. That’s not to mention hundreds of thousands of more reserves troops, including the conscript forces and national guard, that Russia could bring to bear if worse came to worse.



On that note, there’s one brief topic I wanted to cover and clear up. When Macron launched into his cringeworthy performance, the reasoning he used behind the bravado of sending troops against Russia was that “France is a nuclear power” and thus has nothing to worry about from Russia. This was followed by many French cheerleading responses on social media that highlighted France’s impressive 4th rank in world nuclear powers, after Russia, U.S., and China. France has ~300 nuclear weapons which, they say, is enough to “destroy Russia” though not the whole world.

There is a big misconception that laymen have about nuclear weapons. 300 sounds like a lot of missiles, because most people assume it to mean 300 actual individual missiles. In fact, France’s nuclear armament is not as impressive as it sounds.

You see, in the 70s and 80s, France totally scrapped the ground component of its nuclear triad—i.e. siloed ICBMs. It now has only the ballistic submarine and limited air component, the latter of which is not even worth talking about as it is a small amount of ASMP-A nuclear cruise missiles, with limited range (~300km), launched by Dassault Rafale jets. There is very little chance such a jet could even get close to Russian air defenses, much less hit any important Russian cities or sites with such a short-ranged missile, so this poses very little threat beyond the frontline-tactical, and can be discounted for the sake of this discussion.

The only moderate threat France has is therefore in its ballistic missile subs. It has a grand total of 4 of them, and only 1 is usually even active at any given time. These subs each have 16 x M51 nuclear missiles, similar to the U.S. Tridents. Each of these missiles can carry up to 10 MIRV’d warheads, though the normal load is said to be 6. That’s the entire French nuclear capability right there: 4 subs which have 16 missiles each = 64 total missiles. And each of those missiles with around 6 independent nuclear warheads, for 290 total listed naval warheads (which means some of the boats have less missiles/warheads).



Ergo: the only nuclear threat that France can possibly pose to Russia lies entirely in 4 aging missile boats, each of which can launch 16 missiles. In a nuclear war scenario, or such a scenario where Russia suspects that France is going to attack, we must take into account some non-zero chance possibility that Russia is tracking French subs with its own hunter-killer attack submarines and can take them out even before they launch their missiles. Of course, ballistic missile subs are designed around the philosophy of stealth, and evading their predators, but 1) Russia’s underwater capabilities cannot be underestimated and 2) Russia has ~35 attack subs to France’s 4 boomers—the odds are heavily against those 4.

What I’m saying is: there is a chance that in such a scenario, Macron would not even be able to launch a single missile, or perhaps only 25-75% of his missiles, as his subs would be taken out before they’re even ready to go.

But let’s assume for the sake of argument, the subs are able to launch most of their missiles. Both Russia and the U.S. have what’s called midcourse interceptors. These are interceptor missiles meant to take out ballistic missiles in the boost or midcourse phase, even before they potentially unload their MIRV’d warheads, which typically happens in the late midcourse or terminal phase.

From the Almaz Antey family, Russia has one contingent of the new S-500 Prometheus as well as the S-300VM and -P families and S-400 variants meant for ballistic missiles; Russia claims the S-500 in particular can take out ICBMs even at the earlier boost to midcourse phase.

But the real final buck-stopper is Russia’s true strategic missile defense system: the A-135, and A-235—also called Nudol. The A-135 is specifically designed to take out nuclear ICBMs, rather than being a jack-of-all-trades like the S-400/500 systems. But it is a final stopgap system as the A-135 missiles, which are called 53T6, themselves are nuclear. But they are neutron bombs instead of regular fission atomic bombs. They shoot up at a mind boggling acceleration of 0 to Mach ~10 (some sources, like Wiki, have it Mach 17, but I believe 10 is more realistic, as per Russian domestic sources) in only 3-4 seconds, pulling 200gs. Once they reach the altitude of over 80km where the incoming nuclear ICBM or MIRV’d warheads are approaching, the neutron bomb detonates which essentially causes the enemy’s nuclear RVs (re-entry vehicles) to go inert, by chemically defusing them:



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It’s time to send Nato troops to Ukraine After 75 years, the alliance is locked in the nuclear age​




'Regardless of quality... the Russian army already outnumbers the Ukrainian, and the gap is becoming wider every day.' (Jaap Arriens/NurPhoto via Getty Images)

Edward Luttwak

April 4, 2024 6 mins​






In 1944, Leslie Groves, the US army general who managed the Manhattan Project, asked its chief scientist, J. Robert Oppenheimer, just how powerful their new bomb might be. Would it be 10 times as powerful as the largest bomb of the time, the RAF’s Tallboy “earthquake bomb”? Or 50 times, or even 100 times? Oppenheimer replied that he could not be sure — at the time, there were even fears that the explosive chain reaction might never stop — but he expected a bomb much more powerful than 100 Tallboys. Groves immediately replied that such a powerful weapon would not be of much use to anyone, because the “politicians” would never dare to use it.

In the short run, Groves was wrong, while Oppenheimer’s guess was correct. The Hiroshima uranium bomb was in fact more powerful than 1,000 Tallboys, with the Nagasaki plutonium bomb exceeding even that. But only five years later, Groves’s prediction came to pass. First the United States, and then the Soviet Union, and then each successive nuclear power came to the realisation that their nuclear weapons were too powerful to be used in combat. This has remained true in the decades since — all the way up to the invasion of Ukraine. For, despite Putin’s atomic sabre-rattling, he too is subject to the logic of Groves’s prediction. Decades after his conversation with Oppenheimer, a brief historical summary of nuclear war has much to teach us about the situation in Ukraine — and how victory might only be attainable there through much more conventional means.

The first test of the nuclear age came with the Korean War. In December 1950, hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers crossed the River Yalu to support their North Korean allies against the US. With America in immediate danger of losing tens of thousands of men, General Douglas MacArthur decided that he had to use nuclear weapons to stop the Chinese. By far the most respected US military leader of the time — he had led American forces in the Pacific from humiliating defeat to total victory, and then acted as Japan’s de facto Emperor in reforming the country — MacArthur expected Truman to assent to his superior military judgment. Instead, the answer was a flat no. MacArthur insisted, and he was dismissed.

Truman recognised that the nature of warfare had fundamentally changed since Hiroshima and Nagasaki. When he authorised those strikes, neither he nor anyone else knew that the explosions would also cause radiation fallout, which would sicken and even kill thousands of people miles from the site of the detonation. Moreover, in 1945, Truman was facing the prospect of losing many more American troops in the conquest of Japan than in the entirety of the Second World War up to that point. The Japanese really did fight to the last man, and still had 2 million troops to expend. Truman would have been thrown out of the White House if he had allowed the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans by refusing to use the bomb.

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But five years later, the situation was very different. Facing catastrophe in Korea, Truman had the alternative of evacuating US troops to Japan if all else failed — and therefore never even considered using atomic weapons. Under the next president, his fission bombs evolved into thermonuclear fusion bombs at least 100,000 times more powerful than Tallboy. But that only made Truman’s “No” of 1950 even more definitive. Nuclear abstinence became the only possible choice for Americans and Russians alike, as the Cuban Missile Crisis precariously but definitively showed.

However, it would take much longer for this logic to develop into a definitive doctrine. Following the establishment of Nato 75 years ago today, and especially in the Sixties and Seventies, exhaustive efforts were made to extract some additional advantage from nuclear weapons and somehow gain the upper hand for the new Western alliance. So-called “tactical” nuclear weapons were made not more, but much less powerful, supposedly to enable their use on the battlefield. Their advocates claimed that they could provide firepower very cheaply, with small nuclear warheads replicating the effect of hundreds of howitzers. Both the US and Soviet armed forces duly acquired thousands of nuclear weapons: not only “small” bombs for fighter-bombers, but also bombardment rockets (some small enough to be carried in a jeep), anti-aircraft missiles, torpedoes, and even portable demolition charges.

But this illusion could not be sustained. Military planners came to understand that if US commanders tried to defend Nato territory by attacking invading Soviet forces with small “tactical” nuclear weapons, the Russians would use their own arsenal to destroy the defending Western forces. The same would apply for any attempt to replace conventional military force with nuclear weaponry. And so it was understood that, while nuclear weapons are a useful deterrent, they can only be used to strike back against a prior nuclear attack — and never to achieve any kind of victory. Thus in the Seventies, when the United States and the Soviet Union were engaged in the elaborate and highly publicised “Strategic Arms Limitation” negotiations, officials on both sides quickly agreed to quietly stop developing, manufacturing and fielding new “tactical” nuclear weapons, before equally quietly disassembling tens of thousands of these weapons.

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But in the end, it was the newest nuclear powers, India and Pakistan, that conclusively demonstrated the redundancy of their own nuclear weapons for anything beyond reciprocal deterrence. In the Kargil War of 1999, which involved multiple full-scale battles and thousands of casualties, neither side attempted even a sotto voce threat of a nuclear strike. And this is still true today. When Putin‘s loudest attack dog, Dmitry Medvedev, started barking about the use of “tactical” nuclear weapons after the failure of the initial Russian invasion in 2022, it was only the least competent journalists and those obedient to Moscow who echoed his warnings. Eventually, after several months of this foolishness, Putin came out and said it: Russia would only use nuclear weapons only “when the very existence of the state is put under threat” — meaning by a corresponding nuclear threat.

The situation in Ukraine has turned again, but the same logic holds. Instead of frustrated Russians bogged down in their trenches, now it is the Ukrainian position that looks precarious. Kyiv presents this as a question of materiel, and continually asks for more and better weapons from the West. Yet while more guns and missiles could be sent, it is clear that what is forcing Kyiv to retreat step by step is not a lack of firepower, but a lack of soldiers.

Until this week, conscription in Ukraine only started at the age of 27, as opposed to the global norm of 18. Zelensky has now reduced this to 25; but with many Ukrainians exempted from service, his total armed forces amount to less than 800,000 active personnel. Ukraine is hampered by the age distribution of its population, with children and older people over-represented when compared to young men in the 19-35 age bracket. But its troop total is still too low for a population that exceeds 30 million by most estimates, considering that Israel can rapidly field an army of around 600,000 from a population of around 8 million. This means that, unless Putin decides to end the war, Ukraine’s troops will be pushed back again and again, losing soldiers in the process who cannot be replaced. Russia doesn’t even have to send its finest troops to achieve this — merely volunteer contract soldiers attracted by good pay, or Russian prisoners serving ordinary criminal sentences, recruited straight from their prison cells. Regardless of quality, though, the Russian army already outnumbers the Ukrainian, and the gap is becoming wider every day.

“Nato countries will soon have to send soldiers to Ukraine, or else accept catastrophic defeat.”

This arithmetic of this is inescapable: Nato countries will soon have to send soldiers to Ukraine, or else accept catastrophic defeat. The British and French, along with the Nordic countries, are already quietly preparing to send troops — both small elite units and logistics and support personnel — who can remain far from the front. The latter could play an essential role by releasing their Ukrainians counterparts for retraining in combat roles. Nato units could also relieve Ukrainians currently tied up in the recovery and repair of damaged equipment, and could take over the technical parts of existing training programmes for new recruits. These Nato soldiers might never see combat — but they don’t have to in order to help Ukraine make the most of its own scarce manpower.

Crucially, with China coming ever closer to an attack on Taiwan, the US cannot provide more troops than the roughly 40,000 who are already in Europe. Thus a momentous decision is in the post for the other Nato members, especially the most populous: Germany, France, Italy and Spain. If Europe cannot provide enough troops, Russia will prevail on the battlefield, and even if diplomacy successfully intervenes to avoid a complete debacle, Russian military power will have victoriously returned to Central Europe. At that point, Western European powers will have to rebuild their armed forces, whether they like it or not, starting with the return of compulsory military service. Perhaps in those circumstances, we might even witness an outbreak of nuclear nostalgia, foolishly harking back to the illusion that apocalyptic weaponry might be enough to keep the peace.



Professor Edward Luttwak is a strategist and historian known for his works on grand strategy, geoeconomics, military history, and international relations.

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Edward Luttwak: Time to Send NATO Troops​


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Apr 07, 2024

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The weekend’s standout story comes by way of Edward Luttwak, one of the so-called ‘premier military theorists’ in the West, openly calling for NATO intervention in Ukraine, lest the West suffer a “catastrophic defeat”:


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Luttwak has been an advisor for U.S. presidents and the U.S. military, as well as other world militaries. He’s also served in the IDF, which could explain his brazen machismo and lack of concern for morality or global safety. Many in the ‘beltway’ consider him a sort of modern Clausewitz, though it seems more like he’s just the military version of constitutional law’s Alan Dershowitz—i.e. a mediocrity elevated to god-like status for racial reasons owing to his valence to Zionist supremacy.

But despite what I may think of him, his noteworthy call for NATO troops in Ukraine must be given the tribune of analysis if only for his influence in the very policy centers and control mechanisms in Washington that could make such a move happen. An earlier Spectator piece writes: “When Edward Luttwak speaks, world leaders listen — and now they must consider heeding his advice on Ukraine.” And so we must listen too.

But more notable than the eye-catching quote that’s got everyone talking is Luttwak’s claim that NATO countries are already in the early stages of planning various types of contingents to be sent to Ukraine:


Interestingly, he frames everything around the urgency of an imminent Chinese attack on Taiwan, which further adduces his poor analytical abilities. This snippet from a previous article on Luttwak tells you everything you need to know about him:



Either way, in light of his statements on NATO members preparing contingents for Ukraine, we have the following from Stephen Bryen:



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He writes that U.S. and Romanian troops are presently in Moldova for Joint Command Exchange Training and extrapolates that into the theory that Moldova is being prepped as a staging area to potentially take Odessa in the future. This comes after another drone attack on a radar installation in Pridnestrovie yesterday.



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I had mentioned in the comments the other day that there are rumors Russia is preparing a campaign for this summer of utilizing Su-34s for the first time to launch mass UMPK glide-bomb attacks on the Odessa and Ochakov regions from the Black Sea. It’s an interesting rumor in light of these developments as it brings to question whether it’s Russia upping the ante after latest signals of NATO’s increasing salivation over Odessa—or vice versa, NATO is getting nervous for the very reason that they realize Russia is set to increase the pressure on Odessa.

Two days ago Poland’s foreign minister Sikorski stated that NATO would establish an official “mission” in Ukraine:



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Which he claims does not mean they intend to send troops, necessarily, but rather that they can begin to officially coordinate amongst each other as an alliance in helping Ukraine—or so he says.

Just days before the Luttwak piece, Unherd published this other gem:



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The article sneakily disguises a call for NATO to assume control of everything West of the Dnieper River by couching it as merely providing air cover. The author thinks NATO should defend all Ukrainian cities west of the Dnieper with actual NATO troops and air defense systems. He argues this isn’t much of a threat to Russia as they would only be shooting down Russian missiles and unmanned systems and not killing Russian pilots, who do not stray beyond the Dnieper.

In many ways, all such recent calls appear to be disguised attempts—in one form or another—of floating the trial balloon of Ukrainian partition. Why are they going about it this way? Because to outright say the word partition would be a devastatingly demoralizing blow to Ukraine, and would be rejected straightaway by Zelensky and co. But to first slip the idea in subtly and diplomatically, they’ve dressed it up as some heroic act of loyalty and allegiance, when in reality you can hear the burbles of talks growing louder recently about the inevitability of partition being the only realistic solution.

Recall I had already reported that once again, a new NATO summit this summer aims to dangle membership in front of Zelensky—just as they did last summer—and this time there’s rumors increasingly heavier ‘hints’ will be imparted about parting out Ukraine in exchange for such promises. We wrote when Macron first floated French deployment that part of the reasoning could be to merely secure the Dnieper to force a Korean style DMZ partition onto a recalcitrant Putin. In some ways it would be a perfect crowning ‘victory’ for NATO, which would allow them to sell it as their having stopped Putin in his tracks without firing a shot.

This common thread plays into what I wrote last time about the rumored ‘October Surprise’, where Ukraine could declare its new borders without Donbass. It seems a lot of movements appear to be heading toward this NATO-backed attempt to strongarm Russia into a DMZ. When would it happen? Precisely when Russian forces begin “breaking through” Ukrainian lines in force, presumably if and when Russia launches the much heavier offensives everyone expects in a few months.

But what’s important to note, is that no one country wants to be left to take the brunt of the Bear’s retaliation alone; nor even two or three of them together. That means such an action would likely only occur if a coalition of scaredy-cats was formed, and the chances of that are not great.

On that note, Luttwak ends his own earlier article with the following watery admission:



So, U.S. could provide a max 40k troops—recall most of the 101st stationed in Romania had already been redeployed to Jordan last year. Luttwak agrees that it would take most of the main NATO stalwarts for this plan to work, and they have already signaled a no-go. All combined, those countries could provide maybe 150-250k troops maximum, and that’s on the optimistic end. Meanwhile, Russia already has an entire fresh 500k man army raised by Shoigu waiting for them, which was created precisely to counter-act the new NATO threats, as I reported long ago. That’s not to mention hundreds of thousands of more reserves troops, including the conscript forces and national guard, that Russia could bring to bear if worse came to worse.



On that note, there’s one brief topic I wanted to cover and clear up. When Macron launched into his cringeworthy performance, the reasoning he used behind the bravado of sending troops against Russia was that “France is a nuclear power” and thus has nothing to worry about from Russia. This was followed by many French cheerleading responses on social media that highlighted France’s impressive 4th rank in world nuclear powers, after Russia, U.S., and China. France has ~300 nuclear weapons which, they say, is enough to “destroy Russia” though not the whole world.

There is a big misconception that laymen have about nuclear weapons. 300 sounds like a lot of missiles, because most people assume it to mean 300 actual individual missiles. In fact, France’s nuclear armament is not as impressive as it sounds.

You see, in the 70s and 80s, France totally scrapped the ground component of its nuclear triad—i.e. siloed ICBMs. It now has only the ballistic submarine and limited air component, the latter of which is not even worth talking about as it is a small amount of ASMP-A nuclear cruise missiles, with limited range (~300km), launched by Dassault Rafale jets. There is very little chance such a jet could even get close to Russian air defenses, much less hit any important Russian cities or sites with such a short-ranged missile, so this poses very little threat beyond the frontline-tactical, and can be discounted for the sake of this discussion.

The only moderate threat France has is therefore in its ballistic missile subs. It has a grand total of 4 of them, and only 1 is usually even active at any given time. These subs each have 16 x M51 nuclear missiles, similar to the U.S. Tridents. Each of these missiles can carry up to 10 MIRV’d warheads, though the normal load is said to be 6. That’s the entire French nuclear capability right there: 4 subs which have 16 missiles each = 64 total missiles. And each of those missiles with around 6 independent nuclear warheads, for 290 total listed naval warheads (which means some of the boats have less missiles/warheads).



Ergo: the only nuclear threat that France can possibly pose to Russia lies entirely in 4 aging missile boats, each of which can launch 16 missiles. In a nuclear war scenario, or such a scenario where Russia suspects that France is going to attack, we must take into account some non-zero chance possibility that Russia is tracking French subs with its own hunter-killer attack submarines and can take them out even before they launch their missiles. Of course, ballistic missile subs are designed around the philosophy of stealth, and evading their predators, but 1) Russia’s underwater capabilities cannot be underestimated and 2) Russia has ~35 attack subs to France’s 4 boomers—the odds are heavily against those 4.

What I’m saying is: there is a chance that in such a scenario, Macron would not even be able to launch a single missile, or perhaps only 25-75% of his missiles, as his subs would be taken out before they’re even ready to go.

But let’s assume for the sake of argument, the subs are able to launch most of their missiles. Both Russia and the U.S. have what’s called midcourse interceptors. These are interceptor missiles meant to take out ballistic missiles in the boost or midcourse phase, even before they potentially unload their MIRV’d warheads, which typically happens in the late midcourse or terminal phase.

From the Almaz Antey family, Russia has one contingent of the new S-500 Prometheus as well as the S-300VM and -P families and S-400 variants meant for ballistic missiles; Russia claims the S-500 in particular can take out ICBMs even at the earlier boost to midcourse phase.

But the real final buck-stopper is Russia’s true strategic missile defense system: the A-135, and A-235—also called Nudol. The A-135 is specifically designed to take out nuclear ICBMs, rather than being a jack-of-all-trades like the S-400/500 systems. But it is a final stopgap system as the A-135 missiles, which are called 53T6, themselves are nuclear. But they are neutron bombs instead of regular fission atomic bombs. They shoot up at a mind boggling acceleration of 0 to Mach ~10 (some sources, like Wiki, have it Mach 17, but I believe 10 is more realistic, as per Russian domestic sources) in only 3-4 seconds, pulling 200gs. Once they reach the altitude of over 80km where the incoming nuclear ICBM or MIRV’d warheads are approaching, the neutron bomb detonates which essentially causes the enemy’s nuclear RVs (re-entry vehicles) to go inert, by chemically defusing them:



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Calling a weapons system, the French M51 SLBM in this case, that first went into service in 2010 "antiquated" is more than a bit questionable.

And the range issue of French air launched nuclear armed cruise missiles looses/ignores the likelihood that such would be used not on "city busting" missions within metropolitan Russia, but theater targets like Russian SRBM cantonments in both Russia or Belarus and logistical support sites.

As for the M51s, killing Moscovites wouldn't be the mission for them. The French would likely target key choke points to the Russian economy, i.e. their oil and natural gas industry that are away from ABM/BMD coverage. A 6800 mile range gives the French a lot of patrol options, particularly if they "surge" their patrols. Heck, their boomers can launch from their harbors if need be.
 
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