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Perhaps they dealt with far more weight in the train?
BRKG Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed
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medic38572
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I think my math was correct 100000 tons x 2000lbs per ton is 200,000,000 total lbs. I was going by what one of the videos said it weighed.
Macgyver
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Most are hydraulic. So unless you opened a valve to release the pressure on the cylinders it's not moving.
Read how you wrote it! You added "million pounds" after the 200,000,000...;-)
Summerthyme
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Think this was kinda like Radar ( or was it Klinger) ordering 12 dozen gross. That’s 144 144’s
jward
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I posted Sal Mercogliano's video this morning-#126- a world known voice not only in geopolitics and maritime history, but a mariner and firefighter himself- he briefly goes over the incident video and details the physics at play - it raised no questions in his mind that a loss of power resulted in a collision and catastrophic loss of the bridge, so - since we can't all be expert on everything, all we can do is find those various people who are reliable voices in their field before crisis occurs, so that we can know who's opinion to value after. And hone our discernment.
Most of us get that we're already in a proxy war and that this kind of action is exactly what a putin or mossad might leave as a lil message to back the hell up before it was too late- but all we can do is follow the facts, and thus far the facts do not support the concerns that an outside agent caused this accident.
Now, we wait to see what led to that loss of power and see what further story is told by a purusual of those facts.
Most of us get that we're already in a proxy war and that this kind of action is exactly what a putin or mossad might leave as a lil message to back the hell up before it was too late- but all we can do is follow the facts, and thus far the facts do not support the concerns that an outside agent caused this accident.
Now, we wait to see what led to that loss of power and see what further story is told by a purusual of those facts.
jward
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John Ʌ Konrad V reposted
Joe Weisenthal
@TheStalwart
***SPECIAL ODD LOTS***
@tracyalloway and I talk with @mercoglianos
about the disaster in Baltimore.
-How it happened
- What the effects will be on fright
- What the next steps that regulators will be taking
- Who will bear the cost
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Joe Weisenthal
@TheStalwart
There's nobody who has a better instant grasp on this stuff than @mercoglianos. If you haven't watched his video from this morning, narrating the footage of the crash, I highly recommend it
bloomberg.com
Sal Mercogliano on the Baltimore Bridge Collapse
Tracy Alloway, Joe Weisenthal
1–2 minutes
The Dali container vessel after striking the Francis Scott Key Bridge that collapsed into the Patapsco River in Baltimore, Maryland on Tuesday.
Photographer: Al Drago/Bloomberg
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On March 26th, a massive container ship called the Dali ploughed into Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge, a major overpass just outside the city's port. The collision caused the bridge to dramatically collapse, sparked a search and rescue mission for survivors. It also cut off a busy shipping lane in and out of the Port of Baltimore. So what do we know about the collision? And what could the impacts of the latest maritime disaster actually be? On this emergency episode of Odd Lots, we speak to Sal Mercogliano, a professor at Campbell University and the host of the What Is Going On With Shipping? show on YouTube, about what we know so far.
www.bloomberg.com
Joe Weisenthal
@TheStalwart
***SPECIAL ODD LOTS***
@tracyalloway and I talk with @mercoglianos
about the disaster in Baltimore.
-How it happened
- What the effects will be on fright
- What the next steps that regulators will be taking
- Who will bear the cost
++
Joe Weisenthal
@TheStalwart
There's nobody who has a better instant grasp on this stuff than @mercoglianos. If you haven't watched his video from this morning, narrating the footage of the crash, I highly recommend it
bloomberg.com
Sal Mercogliano on the Baltimore Bridge Collapse
Tracy Alloway, Joe Weisenthal
1–2 minutes
The Dali container vessel after striking the Francis Scott Key Bridge that collapsed into the Patapsco River in Baltimore, Maryland on Tuesday.
Photographer: Al Drago/Bloomberg
Listen to Odd Lots on Apple Podcasts
Listen to Odd Lots on Spotify
Subscribe to the newsletter
On March 26th, a massive container ship called the Dali ploughed into Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge, a major overpass just outside the city's port. The collision caused the bridge to dramatically collapse, sparked a search and rescue mission for survivors. It also cut off a busy shipping lane in and out of the Port of Baltimore. So what do we know about the collision? And what could the impacts of the latest maritime disaster actually be? On this emergency episode of Odd Lots, we speak to Sal Mercogliano, a professor at Campbell University and the host of the What Is Going On With Shipping? show on YouTube, about what we know so far.
Sal Mercogliano on the Baltimore Bridge Collapse
A shipping expert speaks to the impact of another maritime disaster.
www.bloomberg.com
medic38572
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| Formula | multiply the mass value by 2000 |
Mass100,000 x 2000=200,000,000 you are multiplying it by 200
jward
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OSINTdefender
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The Department of Homeland Security have released their Initial Findings regarding the Incident this morning in Baltimore, Maryland in which a Cargo Ship rammed into and caused the Collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge; with the Report stating that at the time of the Crash, the Ship was being Piloted by a Veteran-Harbor Pilot who knew the nearby Waterways and that the Ship had notified the Maryland Department of Transportation that they had Fully-Lost Propulsion and Control as they were Departing from Port, with them heading Directly towards the Bridge.
@sentdefender
The Department of Homeland Security have released their Initial Findings regarding the Incident this morning in Baltimore, Maryland in which a Cargo Ship rammed into and caused the Collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge; with the Report stating that at the time of the Crash, the Ship was being Piloted by a Veteran-Harbor Pilot who knew the nearby Waterways and that the Ship had notified the Maryland Department of Transportation that they had Fully-Lost Propulsion and Control as they were Departing from Port, with them heading Directly towards the Bridge.
jed turtle
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Indeed. It is the Russians that have already been attacked by the west trying to destroy the Crimean bridge and the Nordstream pipeline. And the West supplied muderous shelling of Ukrainian civilians who refused to acknowledge the new western usurpers in Kiev authority to force them to give up their language.
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WOW! That was QUICK! Fastest I've ever seen DHS move!
medic38572
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I listened to the police radio traffic prior to the crash. And that is what dispatch was telling the officers attempting to block both sides of the bridge. One officer was waiting for another to get to him so he could warn the workers on the bridge and baaaam he told him to send everyone as the bridge had collapsed. sucks.
LOL! Read your original post! Your math was (apparently) correct. Your way of the expressing the total was misleading, at best.
As POD said, it's like ordering 144 gross. You put a ship at sea that weighs 200,000,000 MILLION... and i I want to see it float!
Summerthyme
medic38572
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Mass 100,000 tons x 2000 lbs per ton === you guessed it 200,000,000 million lbs.
hope that is better!
medic38572
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I listen to the scanner all the time. Last night it went off when this happened, BUT , I didnt look at it because every night at the same time in Indianapolis, Indiana every night, I mean every night, they have a shooting or OIS. Indianapolis has to be the most dangerous city in the US.
She's talking about the report. Apparently implying a whitewash...
It's simple... this is a PRELIMINARY report, pretty much describing the incident from a hundred foot overview. Simple facts... they had an experienced pilot aboard, they lost power and control, and immediately issued a Mayday... which was passed on with amazing speed, and saved many lives.
Now, there were likely a dozen or more surviving witnesses, and their stories apparently were close enough (albeit from different vantage points) that normally suspicious investigators found the story and timeliness reasonable and believable. Remember... as a map posted above shows, these ships are traced in minute detail... speed, GPS positions, actually path across the water.
But now there's going to be a much more in depth investigation to find out HOW and WHY they lost power. We may not see that report for months... and while unlikely, that's where any potential criminal charges could come from.
Looking like a tragic accident to me...
Summerthyme
200,000,000 million pounds would be written 2,000,000,000,000,000Mass 100,000 tons x 2000 lbs per ton === you guessed it 200,000,000 million lbs.
That translates to 2 Quadrillion.
Summerthyme
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I've been noticing that Indianapolis thing almost every night as well.
Reasonable Rascal
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Remember it will come out that the Russians that did this (NOT!)
Bush did it. He perfected the technique in New orleans.
RR
jward
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Mario Nawfal
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Transportation Secretary In Response To Bridge Disaster: Maybe Some Bridges Were Made By Racists
"If an underpass was constructed such that a bus, carrying mostly black and Puerto Rican kids, was designed too low for it to pass by, that obviously reflects racism that went into those design choices.
I don't think we have anything to lose by confronting simply reality."
Besides sanity perhaps?
Source: C-SPAN
View: https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1772830282036429187?s=20
@MarioNawfal
Transportation Secretary In Response To Bridge Disaster: Maybe Some Bridges Were Made By Racists
"If an underpass was constructed such that a bus, carrying mostly black and Puerto Rican kids, was designed too low for it to pass by, that obviously reflects racism that went into those design choices.
I don't think we have anything to lose by confronting simply reality."
Besides sanity perhaps?
Source: C-SPAN
View: https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1772830282036429187?s=20
hiwall
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IF the ship was "light" wouldn't it take on ballast so it would ride at its optimal depth?
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Optimal depth by what standard? Fuel economy? That would probably be less drag from being higher.
medic38572
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vector7
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I had 24.5 yrs in the USCG as well, & I concur with your judgment. This morning I told my wife that it was no accident.
The crew could have taken manual control of the engines/red.gears/steering. With the flip of a breaker they could have disabled the horn. Muslim crew?
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/Bullcrap59/status/1772690117066404328?t=P1szWm8e-iKrawkmnIf52A&s=19
That's right. Here's a picture of a steerage room showing the big hydraulic cylinders hooked to the rudder with redundant hydraulic pumps in the room.
https://shipfever.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/rsz_steering_gear_system_in_ships.jpg
Maffs is hard and stuff.I do not know how you're doing maff, I showed you mine! Show me yours!
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View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1772824870469902406
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BREAKING NOW:
Chesapeake Bay Bridge in Annapolis, MD south of The Francis Scott Key Bridge that COLLAPSED after bring hit by a container ship has been SHUT DOWN... DEVELOPING.. As of now the bridge is CLOSED TO ALL TRAFFIC due to weather conditions or "SAFETY" concerns.. Is this a strange coincidence or something much much more?
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1772824870469902406/photo/1
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BREAKING NOW:
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1772824870469902406/photo/1
medic38572
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You know if I lived in Baltimore I would get on a plane as quickly as I could and get out now, and I do not fly! Soon this may be an "escape from Baltimore" movie come true. I know it was New York but just say'in.
medic38572
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Only other thing I could find is coastal flooding
Official updates
From National Weather Service · Last updated 8 hours ago
Official updates
COASTAL FLOOD ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 3 PM EDT WEDNESDAY
* WHAT...Up to one foot of inundation above ground level in low
lying areas due to tidal flooding.
* WHERE...Shoreline in Southern Baltimore County and the city of
Baltimore.
* WHEN...Until 3 PM EDT Wednesday, especially around the time of
high tide.
* IMPACTS...At 3.5 feet, flooding is occurring at the end of
Thames Street in Baltimore. Water covers the promenade in the
Inner Harbor in multiple locations. At 3.0 feet, water begins
encroaching upon yards in the Bowleys Quarters area.
* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Tides two to two and a half feet above
normal. The next high tide at Fort McHenry Baltimore is at 8:34
PM and 8:52 AM.
That was actually a good thing, to put out a quick summary report like that. It doesn't take the talking heads long to get bored with all the day-to-day details in an ICS daily report, before they're looking for the next adrenaline adventure story.
homecanner1
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I look at it this way, Sparrows was the main shipbuilding facility of WW2, it was the powerhouse Mac Daddy with Beth Steel that helped give us that win by dominating the Pacific.
Imagine instead a strafe run on Sparrows Point back then and taking the entire harbor out of commission and our warfooting capability.
IF this was not accidental, someone still masterminded a crippling blow.
Matt Bracken has been raving last four weeks about Chinese chips in the crane facilities at our ports to cripple our on/off container loading.
That a boatload of doofus pajeets (learned a new slur this week!) have somehow pulled off a caper that 1943 Berlin would have salivated over is astounding in itself. This IS the Black Swan event. And we are only beginning to grasp the shockwaves.
One of which is the Haitian flotillas we are being warned about, they won't be getting dumped off courtesy of the Coasties picking up 'drifting dinghie loads' to that port and 'sanctuary city'. Sorry B-More.
It will jostle the UAW rank and file with auto sector shipping derailed there. Might impact some Biden voters that work in those facilities.
And if it stops the 'spice' flowing in the form of fentanyl or heroin, that's also a positive in spite of the tragic.
I don't foresee the bridge getting rebuilt either, not that we can't rally previous can do spirit again. But do we want a bridge there or a tunnel?
They will rig a passenger ferry system for local dock workers. Workarounds will abound.
But when the 3rd or 4th bridge or lock system or major ship terminal marine navigation hub get trashed, then plausible denial/human error will no longer suffice. Expect more
Imagine instead a strafe run on Sparrows Point back then and taking the entire harbor out of commission and our warfooting capability.
IF this was not accidental, someone still masterminded a crippling blow.
Matt Bracken has been raving last four weeks about Chinese chips in the crane facilities at our ports to cripple our on/off container loading.
That a boatload of doofus pajeets (learned a new slur this week!) have somehow pulled off a caper that 1943 Berlin would have salivated over is astounding in itself. This IS the Black Swan event. And we are only beginning to grasp the shockwaves.
One of which is the Haitian flotillas we are being warned about, they won't be getting dumped off courtesy of the Coasties picking up 'drifting dinghie loads' to that port and 'sanctuary city'. Sorry B-More.
It will jostle the UAW rank and file with auto sector shipping derailed there. Might impact some Biden voters that work in those facilities.
And if it stops the 'spice' flowing in the form of fentanyl or heroin, that's also a positive in spite of the tragic.
I don't foresee the bridge getting rebuilt either, not that we can't rally previous can do spirit again. But do we want a bridge there or a tunnel?
They will rig a passenger ferry system for local dock workers. Workarounds will abound.
But when the 3rd or 4th bridge or lock system or major ship terminal marine navigation hub get trashed, then plausible denial/human error will no longer suffice. Expect more
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They close it during high wind and weather events. I am not seeing a closure listed on any of the MD transportation sites.View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1772824870469902406
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BREAKING NOW:Chesapeake Bay Bridge in Annapolis, MD south of The Francis Scott Key Bridge that COLLAPSED after bring hit by a container ship has been SHUT DOWN... DEVELOPING.. As of now the bridge is CLOSED TO ALL TRAFFIC due to weather conditions or "SAFETY" concerns.. Is this a strange coincidence or something much much more?
View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1772824870469902406/photo/1
mistaken1
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When the final blow comes the collapse will be as rapid as that bridge collapse, the speed of it will shock the world.
Yeah I didn't hear anything about THAT bridge being closed this morning on the local TV/radio news. And I'm sure it would have been highlighted due to the current "sensitivities". We did have a rain band come through early this AM, but it wasn't windy at all where I was.
Side note - my commute home doubled, from 30 mins to 1 hour. "Most" people were actually somewhat polite on the roads yesterday afternoon. Hopefully that will last.
It is weird looking in the direction of the bridge and not seeing anything. I'm not "from" the area but I've lived here a long time and I get it when people get interviewed and almost get emotional about it. It would be like if there is a mountain near you, you see it a hundred times a day, and then one day it just disappears. You do a double-take, then a triple-take, because it "should" be there but isn't. Very disorienting. I must have seen 100+ people yesterday evening on my way home, anywhere there was a little hill or overpass, normally with a view of the bridge, standing there taking pictures/video, with their kids, grandmas, etc. I don't think most people can grasp how emotional people are over this.
Melodi
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A breaking news headline on Sky.com (UK)is that:
"Investigators Exame Whether Dirty Fuel Led To Bridge Collapse"
That's it; for now, if you click on the ongoing story, this part still needs to be updated. I suspect it will be in a few minutes.
But if this report is accurate, it could be a game changer.
Breaking news headline is on the main page here at:
news.sky.com
On-going story is here...
news.sky.com
"Investigators Exame Whether Dirty Fuel Led To Bridge Collapse"
That's it; for now, if you click on the ongoing story, this part still needs to be updated. I suspect it will be in a few minutes.
But if this report is accurate, it could be a game changer.
Breaking news headline is on the main page here at:
The Latest News from the UK and Around the World | Sky News
Sky News delivers breaking news, headlines and top stories from business, politics, entertainment and more in the UK and worldwide.
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On-going story is here...
Baltimore bridge collapse: Audio of first responder call emerges - 'the whole bridge just fell down'
A mayday call was issued by the cargo ship moments before officials decided to suspend traffic on both sides of the bridge.
news.sky.com
I will take a stab at it.
The video: The ship was a container ship not a tanker. A pilot boat doesnt follow a ship. It goes and picks up a pilot once the are offshore or drops a pilot off to an incoming vessel. A pilot boat would have done nothing to stop or change that accident. The tugs were released after the vessel got into the waterway. Again they most likely werent required.
The commentary: It takes time to get the emergency steering activated. The requirement is 60 secs to go from 15 degrees port to 15 degrees starboard or vice versa. So to go from 0 to 15 would take about 30 secs if the space was fully manned and ready to go. It most likely wasnt manned which takes time for crew to get there and activate it. That ship is a direct drive, there are no reduction gears and to my knowledge there is no way to take manual control of reduction gears.
It is basic details like this that make me question their knowledge of commercial vessels and port operations.