Yeah, you're right. By several million, probably. But narrow it down to the leadership echelons of the country, I wouldn't go against the high odds of it being truthful.
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Samuel Adams
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And I have no “position”, but remain quite skeptical and it’s way too early to give any or all a pass on this one.
Now general Flynn is controlled opposition ?
(actually wouldn’t surprise me, but…..it’s early on this one)
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
The ship lost power, which means it also lost its steering ability. In a no-wind condition it would have gone straight forward when the steering was lost.
But weather conditions had a 13 knot (roughly 15mph) wind pushing the ship from its left side. Unable to steer against the wind they were pushed by the wind into a head-on collision with the bridge tower, because there was not proper protection for the tower against ships colliding with it.
Shadow
Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
After you recover from your workload could you clarify. Are the the generators, main and aux, both running while doing maneuvers near port? Or is the aux gen started only after the main fails, stops or faults?
Shadow
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Welcome ashore, Captain. Will three weeks be long enough for you regain your land legs?
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
I picked up on all that. And I'm not disparaging his views nor his expertise, but just because something could be an accident; with all that is going on in the world today, doesn't mean it IS an accident.
Not to argue, but I remember a time when 99.99% of the American people took 911 at face value, and it took well over a decade for the majority, and it is now a majority, to stop believing what they had been fed in the official story.
I've been following the over 129 food plants, farms, etc that have been burned down in this country, all the oil refineries that have "had accidents", all the MAJOR train derailments, all since the obamaista's got back in. Much of that has been sabotage, no doubt about it.
And we are being invaded at the same time by over 10 million and that is no accident. This country is under assault.
This could have been an accident, this could have been deliberate.
I don't accept any major damage like this as just happenstance until it is proven as such, not under the present conditions. Buick Electra posted a very good analysis of WHY this would be a perfect act of sabotage, and very very hard to prove.
Hard to prove unless someone can find a link between the Captain and some 3 letter, which also includes the Russians as possibilities. As I mentioned above this could also be a message, and if it happened to be such, the goofballs at the top will never admit it.
By all appearances, the Captain did everything he could to avoid the collision.
Until something substantial is brought to light, I'll take this one at face value.
A thread can be started in ALT if peeps want to explore the possibility of bigfoot stowing away on that ship and the 5G, negative waves activated his nanites ingested from Jack Link's beef jerkey...making him disable the powerplants.
Until something substantial is brought to light, I'll take this one at face value.
A thread can be started in ALT if peeps want to explore the possibility of bigfoot stowing away on that ship and the 5G, negative waves activated his nanites ingested from Jack Link's beef jerkey...making him disable the powerplants.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
Doc1
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Unlike Captain Eddie, I've never been the captain of a vessel, but I have been a deckhand on many and I worked as a commercial diver for many years.
Most importantly - for this thread at least - I've been onboard when the power was lost. Fortunately this was always out in the Gulf and not in congested waterways. Usually the problem was resolved quickly. Also, importantly, the tugs and workboats I was on had port and starboard engines. Usually, only one would go out, which is not nearly as bad as losing both.
Large merchant ships often only have one huge main engine and when that goes out you're in deep kimchee! I did find it odd that in the video the ship appeared to go dark several times. Large, modern ships almost always have large generators - separate from the main engine - to provide ship's power.
I don't know anything about the design of the ship in question, so for now I'm going to accept the idea that it was an accident. I'm always open to adjust my opinion if further evidence come out.
Best
Doc
Most importantly - for this thread at least - I've been onboard when the power was lost. Fortunately this was always out in the Gulf and not in congested waterways. Usually the problem was resolved quickly. Also, importantly, the tugs and workboats I was on had port and starboard engines. Usually, only one would go out, which is not nearly as bad as losing both.
Large merchant ships often only have one huge main engine and when that goes out you're in deep kimchee! I did find it odd that in the video the ship appeared to go dark several times. Large, modern ships almost always have large generators - separate from the main engine - to provide ship's power.
I don't know anything about the design of the ship in question, so for now I'm going to accept the idea that it was an accident. I'm always open to adjust my opinion if further evidence come out.
Best
Doc
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
It's called 'crash astern", and yes it is a standard command. It's a propulsion command not a rudder comand. It involves overriding the shat brake and can easily shear either the prop key or the shaft itself, so it's only used in desperate situations. From the amount of cavitation right before impact I would say it was utilized.
Buick Electra
TB2K Girls with Guns
(FSTCBL) Mind you, I have no knowledge of shipping. Just bringing over information to be dissected.
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John Green
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I agree on Lara Logan but General Flynn has sounded a bit off lately. Of course he has an axe to grind so I get it.
psychgirl
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Well, yunno….By all appearances, the Captain did everything he could to avoid the collision.
Until something substantial is brought to light, I'll take this one at face value.
A thread can be started in ALT if peeps want to explore the possibility of bigfoot stowing away on that ship and the 5G, negative waves activated his nanites ingested from Jack Link's beef jerkey...making him disable the powerplants.
We all got our own bingo cards to bear.
bw
Fringe Ranger
I don't think he meant a propulsion command, I think he meant a manual rudder control near the stern.
Buick Electra
TB2K Girls with Guns
Maybe someone with knowledge can answer.....
I know lights went out, and as has been explained, the generator came on then went out, but could someone just flip a switch for the main power to go out? And could that same person flip a switch to turn the generator off?
There is a requirement but it isn’t going to get rigged in the minute or 2 they had.
They did they only 2 things they realistically had time for. Crash astern and drop the ready anchor. But you have 100000 tons traveling at 8.5 knots. It doesn’t stop quickly.
Another thing to consider is that the rotation of the prop affects the way a ship moves. It is called prop walk and pushes the stern either port or starboard depending on direction of rotation and whether they are going ahead or astern. A right hand turning prop will push the stern to port when the vessel is going astern. Crashing astern without a rudder may have caused the vessel stern to push out to port. Just a guess on my part.
Ok. Lets start a thread for "alternative explanations" in the Alt forum, and leave this one for actual news, please!
And we *won't* be moving posts... Any more woo posts will be deleted.
Summerthyme
And we *won't* be moving posts... Any more woo posts will be deleted.
Summerthyme
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
Damn, someone else who knows about boats. Love you brother, even if you're a coasty. Taking off again, on a 737
Hopefully it doesn't have a porthole fall out.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
Yeah, at this point I'm going with a big splash; not sure if dust would light up or reflect like that. Thanks.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
^^^THAT^^^ and the sudden radical change (judo throw) into the pylons.
Everything about that event can•could be duplicated on computers.
•Known real-time GPS coordinates in 1/10th’s of meters or better
•Known weight
•Speed
•Resistance of water with tidal flow
•anchor drop point for sling effect
•into the vector of hazard
•Wind speed & Vector
•Combined shear values
…ETS
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The tugs were probably pulled once the ship was in the channel. That is common practice as the ship can navigate the channel on its own. Usually.
Profit of Doom
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I was traveling, not piloting.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
Not to rain on anyone's cruise parade (as I've often thought of taking one), but there is a certain demographic, by the dozens or apparently sometimes hundreds, that have ruined a lot of people's enjoyment of big cruises over the last 10 or so years. Think of a Popeye's fight on steroids. All kinds of videos out there showing why we can't have nice things anymore. Wherever 3 or more shall gather in their name, all hell tends to break out. Just a heads up if you were unaware.I was considering a Royal Caribbean cruise in early September to Canada / New England from Baltimore.
Profit of Doom
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Do those engines actually internally reverse, or is there some kind of transmission involved?
Profit of Doom
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Bogey
“Where liberty dwells, there is my country.”
Thanks Cap. I was curious because the US Naval vessels I was on all had a physical compartment astern called "Aft Steering" It was always manned during transit through the harbor.
If steering was lost on the bridge, aft steering could take control of the rudder.
All commercial vessels are required to have emergency steering back aft for that very reason. But it is not required to be manned to my knowledge. When we inspected foreign ships we made them operate it to make sure it was operational. I forget what the times were but it was required to from hard port to hard starboard in a certain amount of time.
A tech writeup on ship steering requirements.
dieselship.com
SOLAS Requirement on steering gear system
SOLAS Requirement on steering gear system One of the critical equipment on-board! But I don’t know why most of us, especially junior engineers tend to pay
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packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
By all appearances, the Captain did everything he could to avoid the collision.
Until something substantial is brought to light, I'll take this one at face value.
A thread can be started in ALT if peeps want to explore the possibility of bigfoot stowing away on that ship and the 5G, negative waves activated his nanites ingested from Jack Link's beef jerkey...making him disable the powerplants.
I was watching some international news on PBS World and a lot of sources are saying that the ship recently had a malfunction with its rudder, and that it wasn't repaired fully, and that there were concerns that it would have an accident.
mzkitty
I give up.
Read the replies under Lara's report.
View: https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093
View: https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093
I answered that question before anyone could bring tictok vids over
It’s the metallurgy of the carbon steel catastrophically failing, you can see it really well in low light conditions.
Someone who really knew their metallurgy could identify the steel type by its sparks, carbon throws flowers, mild steel throws spears etc
psychgirl
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……Ships backing up in the shipping lane South of Baltimore
