Repairman-Jack
Veteran Member
Because you're posting facts?
I think Capt Eddie established his hypothesis back around post 142.
BRKG Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed
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I think Capt Eddie established his hypothesis back around post 142.
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
Maersk, at least in their tanker, fleet has a definite preference for Phillipinos. Although in my experience Indian officers are superior to Phillipino officers.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm sorry, but I'm the kind of person who doesn't see conspiracy theories behind every bush like some do. Until proven otherwise, I'll take Capt. Eddie's analysis over conspiracy theories where this situation is concerned.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
Yes they are; but very few take down bridges, especially one so aptly named; "And the Rockets Red Glare"
Kayak
Adrenaline Junkie
I'm leaning strongly towards accident as well, but I'm not ready to call it quite yet.
I've said since the second plane hit the second tower on 9/11, that if only one plane had hit, we'd have been told it was an accident, or a medical emergency with the pilot, or some other excuse for why the plane hit the tower. The minute the second one hit, the government could no longer get away with telling us that.
If this had been a planned terrorist attack, multiple bridges would've come down today. Doesn't rule out a rogue asshole with a grudge doing it, but as of now, signs point to equipment failure and then the people supposed to be controlling the ship just being along for the rest of the ride, with no way to stop what was about to happen.
The true test though, will be if this leads to something else in the near future. If not, then yeah, this was likely a horrible accident. People ARE trying to destroy our infrastructure. We aren't imagining that. Was this part of it? Doesn't look like it, but it's pretty convenient. So, while I'm leaning towards your conclusions, I need a little more time before I rest easy that more destruction won't follow.
I appreciate all of your input though -- you've been the voice of knowledgeable reason today, and we need that.
You may be unaware, but Capt. Eddie is a boat captain... BIG boat captain. I'll listen to his reasoned analysis over all the hair on fire conspiracies, especially when those spouting them obviously haven't read al, the posts.
THEY LOST POWER...that means *no rudder*, wh8ch means *no steering*. The current is strong there, and reportedly at high/flood tide.
They dropped an anchor, hoping to help turn the ship away from the bridge, but it essentially acted like a pivot to turn right into the support.
And apparently (all of this is from our expert members above... I'm a landlubber!) a significant percentage of ship's masters/captains are Ukrainian.
If it had been a deliberate terrorist activity , they wouldn't have called Mayday and saved a bunch of lives.
Summerthyme
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
F it I'm tired, I'm in an airport, I'm semi-drunk. If you want to go down that rabbit hole go down it. I'll check in in the morning.
Buick Electra
TB2K Girls with Guns
Long tweet from Lara Logan, who is NOT prone to 'sensationalism.' I sorry some of you are unable to wrap your heads around how evil people are.
View: https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093
View: https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1772675651599770093
Macgyver
Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's dust from the concrete being smashed by a ship.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
I posted a video that shows what looks like a very hard deliberate turn into the pylon. On this video you can see that the ship wasn't anywhere close to being steered to the center between the two supports. I'm not trying to convince people like you with you own opinions, I'm just giving my opinion and posting some info that I think makes my supposition possible.
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1772508796729852383
Macgyver
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ship should be in the middle of the right half. Not directly in the middle. Assuming it's wide enough for another ship to pass
F4Gunfighter
Senior Member
Thanks for trying! Have a safe trip back to winter weather in Iowa.
bw
Fringe Ranger
They lost steering control in a side wind.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Reference to a tiktok video showing evidence of demolition charges. That goes back to the airliner that hit the 2nd tower firing missiles from under the wings just before impact. IIRC there was 'video evidence' of that as well.
RR
Look the original video I saw was one that two guys were shooting and accidentally caught the ship colliding with the bridge. There was no mention of charges being detonated, etc. There's a second video at a different angle, also on TT.
People are taking that video footage and are altering them and then reposting to TT, FB, and YT for their five seconds of fame.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
Now THAT is a very good analysis that shows that IF it was a deliberate attack why it would be so devastatingly effective in it's goals; which wouldn't be just to kill a few folks; but as a crippling attack, and a possible message; "we can hurt you in ways you haven't even imagined yet".
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
I appreciate your input on this topic.
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
That ukrainian captain might be from the Russian-speaking portion of Ukraine…
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Safe travels.
If you are on days off enjoy, if you’re heading in for your work hitch I hope you have a good one.
Heading for home for in a couple days myself.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
Side wind on a cargo ship of that size and weight? That thing is a little larger than a fishing boat. You will have to explain why that ship made such a hard hard turn to starboard when there was no power to move the rudder from dead ahead to hard right? BTW, have you even looked at the video?
Buick Electra
TB2K Girls with Guns
Yea, when Lara Logan and General Flynn, (two people who are as far away from sensationalism that you can get), are basically saying we were 'attacked,' I'm taking that to the bank.
I'm wondering if a few Mississippi bridge 'accidents' will be next? Wondering if they're trying to section us off for easier takeover.
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bw
Fringe Ranger
Before you accept that this was an attack, consider how the various arms of government benefit by framing it as an attack.
We have the mayday calls and telemetry showing they were desperately trying to get it under control and nearly succeeded. There is no evidence that this was planned. Yes, it's a Black Swan, in that it was not foreseeable. But regarding motive it was as far as we know merely maintenance neglect or happenstance.
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
Days off, and Thank You
And this vessel was chartered by Maersk, I read. Interesting. Maersk is definitely salty enough to know not to change masters on a chartered ship just because it wasn't one of theirs.
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Shadow
Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
Exactly! Awfully premature to say no terrorism. Until you know the cause you do not know what did not cause it. This is far too complex to jump to that conclusion.
Them saying "not terrorism" so soon is the main reason for my suspecting terrorism.
Shadow
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Yeah, they dropped a bow anchor and it pivoted. My rule of thumb has always been that when there is a logical and reasonable explanation more often then not that is the real reason. A lot of people around here have had to eat a lot of crow over the years because they went wild with the speculation. With the power obviously going out twice before impact, with the SOS call to the authorities about loss of steerage and with the intentional dropping of the anchor there is no logical reason why any of this would of been done if this had been an intentional attack.
There is more than enough real world nefarious stuff going on that it doesn't have to be manufactured. Captain Eddie has been around here for years, he is a bonafide subject matter expert on maritime issues such as this and until more evidence surfaces otherwise his explanation is perfectly reasonable and well thought out.
If you were going to do this intentionally you could of come up with an excuse not to depart until 6am and then have taken out the span during rush hour for maximum effect not at 1:30 in the morning with light to no traffic. Doesn't pass the smell test for this to be intentional despite the HOF.
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
Is this Michael III
In most shipping lanes that is normal. But when going under the Key bridge, they ALWAYS ran straight down the middle. They never had more than one ship going in/out at a time. Precisely because there is no room to maneuver.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
I thought of water and I'm not into explosives, which is why I asked some of the expert opinion on here
bev
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I was considering a Royal Caribbean cruise in early September to Canada / New England from Baltimore.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
I had that same thought. What if the Captain was on the Russian side of things.
Buick Electra
TB2K Girls with Guns
THIS !!! +1,000,000!!
Tigerlily
Senior Member
Those things happening indicate that no one on the ship was trying to run into the bridge. But, we are, and have been, under a multipronged cyber attack for some months. Yesterday, it was another critical system, when there was a sewage leak into the water supply. We are fighting the big guys, including killing Russian civilians, and destroying their building, a few days ago. (Even if we didn't, they think we did.)
I wasn't born yesterday. I saw the lights go out on that vessel at least two times. Those things indicate the source of the wreck, is based on electronics. Given the facts, and knowing this time is not like any other time in history, including having a rogue government, bent on destroying this country, it seems clear to me, that we have a new unfolding vector, where attacks are happening on our infrastructure now. Better get ready, because when John and Jane Doe figure that out, it is going to be chaos.
Buick Electra
TB2K Girls with Guns
(FSTCBL)
www.theguardian.com
Cargo ship that hit Baltimore bridge was involved in Antwerp collision in 2016
The Dali was reportedly detained in Belgium after scraping side of quay and significantly damaging part of hull in good weather
www.theguardian.com
Buick Electra
TB2K Girls with Guns
Don't forget to add we, (the United States), abandoned Israel yesterday in the UN vote to NOT let Israel take out Hamas. Any time we go against Israel bad things happen.
I was considering a Royal Caribbean cruise in early September to Canada / New England from Baltimore.
Nobody knows at this point, but I'd imagine they have the channel open by then. So shipping/cruises should be ok by then. But that's a guess and they probably won't even schedule any kind of cruise from Balto. for quite a while.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
SurfaceTension
Veteran Member
Only problem is that Laura's frantic post is full of demonstrably incorrect statements and non-sequiturs. The one correct take-away is that it is a lesson in how vulnerable we are to a deliberate attack, in innumerable ways.
